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    Blown Tweeters

    <img src="http://www.computeraudiophile.com/files/old-school-radio.jpg" style="padding: 1pt 10pt 7pt 0pt;" align="left">Few audiophiles are aware of a lurking danger that may be very costly. I've know about this danger for several months now, but was re-energized to write about it over the weekend. I was listening to the Raconteurs through the new Bryston BDA-1 DAC at a pretty high volume. My music server was booted to Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit. I stopped playback for a second, made a few changes to the Windows audio settings and hit play. As soon as I hit play a very loud tone blasted through my speakers and sent Chloe, one of the Computer Audiophile cats, running away very puffed up. I jumped up to turn down the volume on my preamp. My heart was racing and I couldn't stop saying to myself, "What the heck just happened?"[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

     

     

     

    <b>The Danger</b>

     

    Put simply, you can blow your tweeters using Windows if you're not careful! Fortunately my speakers survived the weekend. On one hand I totally knew what had happened, on the other hand I couldn't believe how it happened. The whole problem revolves around losing clock which causes either white noise to blast through the speakers or a tone like the emergency broadcast system here in the United States. Two verified instances that I know of happened when listeners tried to changed the name of a song while listening to music. My friend using TAD M1 loudspeakers was listening through MediaMonkey on Windows XP. He tried changing the name of a song and a blast of white noise came through the speakers. The very expensive TAD tweeters were blown. This same friend has reproduced the problem, at much lower sound levels, through many different procedures. In my opinion doing anything other than listening to music is dangerous. If you want to change settings in Windows or your playback application you need to be very careful. Another instance I am aware of where someone very respected in the high-end industry almost blew his tweeters involved Windows Media Player. The person changed the name of a song, lost clock and briefly experienced the white noise issue. The people I am talking about are not novices when it comes to this stuff. They are recognizable names in the audio world.

     

    Over the weekend I was testing Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit with a number of applications and configurations. After several changes, that I certainly did not keep track of, I tested the output of Windows audio through my Lynx card. I heard a small blip instead of the typical chimes in the left and right speakers. By this time I was knee-deep in all the changes and was not thinking about the possible danger to my speakers. I started MediaMonkey with an ASIO driver. As soon as I hit play I heard the aforementioned very loud tone. This circumstance was vastly different than the previous two where the listeners tried to change the name of a song during playback. I have also heard of similar issues when using Windows Remote Desktop, but I haven't been able to reproduce the issues (fortunately).

     

    No matter what the causes of this issue are we can be certain that a number of listeners will damage their speakers this way. If the cause is user error, a software bug, a firmware problem or even by design this is a serious problem. In fact this issue may be one that old school audiophiles use to keep music servers out of their listening room or retail stores.

     

    It would be fabulous if we could find a definitive cause and spread the word about how to avoid damaging loudspeakers. I hope many of you can post comments about similar experiences and methods to avoid the potential damage.




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    Hello All,<br />

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    I wonder if this problem with Windows XP is eliminated by the use of Kernel Streaming.<br />

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    Regards,<br />

    Kakouordos

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    I fortunately have not experienced this but am thankful for the heads up Chris. However, I also use a passive attenuator to control volume between my DA and amp. Here's a link to the product which has been excellent in my system;<br />

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    http://luminousaudio.com/axiom.php<br />

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    I think this eliminates any possibility of a full power transient being transmitted to my speakers. It also eliminates using any digital signal attenuation, which from what I understand decreases the quality of the audio signal.<br />

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    My signal path is Win XP PC using Foobar 0.8.3 ASIO out via RME 9652 spdif to AVA Insight+ DA to Axiom passive attenuator to DAC 4800A amp to SP Tech Continuum speakers.

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    I'm experimenting with the Hiface EVO with a WinXP system w MediaMonkey, and I just experienced a burst of white noise while switching tracks from 88.2 kHz to 44.1 kHz. No renaming or otherwise unusual action--just switching from one (paused) album to another. Fortunately not with the volume turned up too loud, and I have no plans of playing directly to power amps, but still, if I stick to EVO, I think I'll go for Mac-based playback. I don't think I can live with the risk ...

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    In fact, I also had noise between tracks (of same sample frequency). Well, I guess that's it for MediaMonkey. I think I'll give Foobar or Jriver a try until I get a dedicated Mac.

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    Chris,<br />

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    Thanks for raising the important subject of "blown tweeters", which is of central concern to me as I select a hi-res rig to replace the Theta Miles CD player listed below.<br />

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    I encourage you, during each product review, to comment on the observed propensity of the product under review to cause or react badly to loss of sync, white noise, or clicks/pops etc. <br />

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    For example, I am very interested in the Grace m903 as a possible DAC for use with some sort of Linux server, such as Sonore, Auraliti, or maybe Salk. But this post http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Grace-Design-m903-Async-USB-192k#comment-79114 warned of loss of sync under OSX: <i>" I did refer this problem to Grace Design and they were helpful in trouble shooting this problem, however, the muting of when the sampling rate was changed under OSX was out of their control, and their hands are washed from this matter. Muting is a breeze for other DACs if there is a loss of sync or the SR changes , I don’t see why Grace Design doesn’t follow, and tweeters are not cheap!"</i> When your review is released, I very much want to learn whether this problem is confined to the USB interface and whether it can be avoided by using MPD on one of the Linux servers above. <br />

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    Further, most of the thread above seems to suggest that the risk is mainly under Windows and not much under OSX. But what about Linux and MPD? As MPD solutions gain popularity, this question gains importance.<br />

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    Thanks for helping to shape this messy, new field!<br />

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