mansr Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Does a freshly installed music player sound the same as after a some time of use? Is the quality of the power supply extra critical during such a break-in period? If music files can be permanently contaminated by electrical noise during processing, then presumably the same applies to software as well. Link to comment
wgscott Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 You are now officially as bad as I am. Next up: What compiler optimization settings sound the best? (Damien actually had people vote on whether clang or gcc sounded better. I never knew if he was being serious.) Link to comment
whoozwah Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Man, this rabbit hole goes SO DEEP. If I am anything, I am a music lover and a pragmatist. Link to comment
pipis2010 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Does a freshly installed music player sound the same as after a some time of use? Is the quality of the power supply extra critical during such a break-in period? If music files can be permanently contaminated by electrical noise during processing, then presumably the same applies to software as well. Yeah you're definitely kidding us!!! Link to comment
jtwrace Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I'm really hoping that this is a joke. W10 NUC i7 (Gen 10) > Roon (Audiolense FIR) > Motu UltraLite mk5 > (4) Hypex NCore NC502MP > JBL M2 Master Reference +4 subs Watch my Podcast https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXMw_bZWBMtRWNJQfTJ38kA/videos Link to comment
wgscott Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Why is it any more unlikely than audible differences in audio files with identical check-sums? Link to comment
esldude Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 The answer is yes for Windows, Mac and Linux. Android playback doesn't suffer from these issues. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
mav52 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 "" Does software need a break-in period? No, but the other half needs a breakin period to learn any new changes that took place. The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
Jud Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 You are now officially as bad as I am. Next up: What compiler optimization settings sound the best? (Damien actually had people vote on whether clang or gcc sounded better. I never knew if he was being serious.) I would imagine he was serious. There are performance differences between binaries built with different compilers for other purposes (see top answer here: compiler construction - iPhone GCC / LLVM GCC or LLVM? - Stack Overflow), so why not for music playback purposes? As for the original topic, heh. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Paul R Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (Snort!) Unfair to post stuff like this when innocent unaware readers might be drinking a cup of coffee... Anyone who considers protocol unimportant has never dealt with a cat DAC. Robert A. Heinlein Link to comment
wgscott Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 -Waggravate-return -Wcast-spell -Wcaste-align -Win -Wmissing-protons -Wredundant-repetitions -antsy -fbungee-jump -fexpensive-operations -fextra-strength -fjesus-saves -fkeep-programmers-inline -fno-peeping-toms -fruit-roll-ups -fshort-enough -mno-dialogue -pedophile -vomit-frame-pointer Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 A+ beta with DSD was sounding awesome first night for me and not much so after several days. Is this what we speak about? Link to comment
esldude Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 A+ beta with DSD was sounding awesome first night for me and not much so after several days. Is this what we speak about? Yes. The problem is particularly acute with DSD software. With DSD we have a single stream of a single bit doing all the work. With PCM it is divided between multiple bits grouped in pulses of discrete samples. So DSD wears away the proper edges in the signal. With time it leads to a smoothed over sound that many actually like though it is really not highest fidelity. Think of it being similar to grooves on an LP being worn smooth with repeated playing. There's a reason many refer to DSD being more analog like than PCM. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
kumakuma Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Does turning my computer off eliminate all the benefits of software break-in? Does data also get broken in or just degrade from the RF/EMI in the computer? Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Distinctive Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 No, but simulated annealing inside an FPGA needs to be addressed during code compilation. The voicing process at PS Audio for new DirectStream OS' involves listening to 20 different compiles from the same code base. Link to comment
new_media Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Why is it any more unlikely than audible differences in audio files with identical check-sums? Godwin's law of CA fulfilled. Link to comment
Le Concombre Masqué Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 same here A+ beta with DSD was sounding awesome first night for me and not much so after several days. Is this what we speak about? Link to comment
beautox Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 OK new product category : Break-in software that will break in your software for you.. Director Mad Scientist Audio Ltd. Link to comment
esldude Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Does turning my computer off eliminate all the benefits of software break-in? Does data also get broken in or just degrade from the RF/EMI in the computer? I have on good authority from an expert in the field, that the wideband RF buildup in data levels off and gets no worse at a certain point. I don't have all the info to say as regards the software itself. My guess being software's more complex nature is harder to predict than the data files used by the software. And always keep in mind: Cognitive biases, like seeing optical illusions are a sign of a normally functioning brain. We all have them, it’s nothing to be ashamed about, but it is something that affects our objective evaluation of reality. Link to comment
miguelito Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 You are now officially as bad as I am. Next up: What compiler optimization settings sound the best? (Damien actually had people vote on whether clang or gcc sounded better. I never knew if he was being serious.) Actually this could definitely matter. I have seen cases where different compiler options (not to mention different compilers) made code run slightly faster. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Does a freshly installed music player sound the same as after a some time of use? Is the quality of the power supply extra critical during such a break-in period? If music files can be permanently contaminated by electrical noise during processing, then presumably the same applies to software as well. Does a download sound different depending on the hops from the download server? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Does turning my computer off eliminate all the benefits of software break-in? It does. Noise floor goes to zero. Of course there's no music playing... Sorry I could not help myself... NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 OK new product category : Break-in software that will break in your software for you.. Can you use it recursively? How many recursions for conversion? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
wgscott Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Actually this could definitely matter. I have seen cases where different compiler options (not to mention different compilers) made code run slightly faster. I've seen cases where over-zeolous optimization, especially of fortran, can result in binaries that give the wrong results for calculations. Link to comment
One and a half Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 A+ beta with DSD was sounding awesome first night for me and not much so after several days. Is this what we speak about? This is the same listening experience when upgrading another audio component. There is a change, it may not be obvious right away but give a few days of listening, then judge. I find if there's no obvious preference for the new sound, then revert to the original and start again. Sometimes the change is obnoxious, like many members posts, so that change is an easy choice to revert and quickly. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
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