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  1. Let us know what you find; if the StarTech Ethernet cable sounds better than the unmodified CAT8 Supra, because it doesn't matter how good the cable is if the two shields are tied together, but not as good as the correctly modified CAT8 Supra cable... It seems the only Ethernet cable that needs to not have the two shields tied together is the one going from one's modem/router to the B-side of the EtherREGEN.
  2. I think the "necessity" is because the quality of sound from streaming is less than the quality from one's CD player (which is less than the quality from one's turntable). While I'm sure no "studies" were done, there is a lot of room for improvement and John had a unique idea to "help" those of us who care about the "high end". There are several ways to improve sound quality when streaming, but even on the best systems the quality falls short of that when using the other methods of playback. I know John will explain "all" in his white paper, although it is doubtful my Civil Engineering background will have prepared me to understand it, but it seems the implementation of his idea benefits "only" 98% or 99% of the people who have tried it in their systems. Streaming is really convenient, and cost effective also - but why spend $5,000 on a streamer if an album on your $800 turntable sounds better? (Other than for convenience, and I love being able to think of any song I used to like and then listen to it, all for the price of one or two CDs (or half an album!)?) The quest to improve streaming will continue - while playing a CD was an order of magnitude more convenient than playing a vinyl album, I suggest the increase by going from the CD player to streaming is several. And regardless of the "perfection" offered by a digital stream, whether for analog or digital signals, efficiently passing electrons through copper wire (or silver coated copper, or silver) has still not been remotely perfected - things like material, varying crystalline structures (which seemingly can be modified utilizing cryogenics), shape (I use ribbons rather than wire), insulation, and temperature all seem to have an impact on sound quality. In the winter it is common for temperatures to drop to the mid-20s where I live; so this January when that happens, one evening I'm going to set up my system in the back yard just outside the window of my study, let it cold-soak overnight, then run my headphone cable through the window and, over coffee, see what happens. I'm sure it will sound better!
  3. That's good info; too bad I just purchased two more CAT8 Supra Ethernet cables. Would it suffice if I (get my friend to) only "modify" one of the cables? And if so, which one, and on either end?? The first Ethernet cable is probably fine as it is, it connects the modem to the router. The second goes from my router to my switch/EtherREGEN. The third goes from my switch/B-Side of EtherREGEN to my streamer. Somewhere I read that "short" Ethernet cables should be no shorter than one meter in length. It has been reasonably easy for me to follow this "rule"; but did I dream it? I don't actually recall seeing 1/2 meter lengths for sale anywhere...
  4. I was in your situation two years ago - it was difficult then and difficult now for people to wrap their heads around, "I want to purchase a streamer, but won't be using any kind of laptop/desktop computer to (mess up the sound) control it!" You are on a budget and there are a few nits that can be picked with both the Node 2i and the Peachtree decco125 SKY, and I'll list them. However, at their price points one has to be realistic. Or even, thrilled that there is any way at all to do any streaming in your living room, by simply adding just one box to your system. (I don't think you mention what speakers you are using, not that it matters too much.) Nits: The Node doesn't sound too good when utilizing its analog outputs - but what can one expect? If you "need" to spend $250 (Modi Multibit, just as an example) to $700 (Schiit Bifrost Multibit) to get "passable" sound, and the Node costs $549 in its entirety, it's not unreasonable to think the DAC Bluesound incorporates won't be up to some/many audiophile's standards. These are wireless units, and the wireless will never sound as good as a one utilizing a wired connection. (I didn't check the Peachtree, but I know, if you have an Ethernet option in your living room, the Node does accept an RJ45 connection, which I'd recommend.) But if all you can do is wireless, I'd not worry at all - set up the "box" and listen and be happy that: If you can think of a any song you ever liked, for $9.95 or $19.95 per month you can most likely listen to it immediately. If you were going to spend ten times your budget on a Streaming setup I'd suggest a wired setup would be more mandatory. [I will say, I took my somewhat expensive setup to our local headphone meet last weekend and utilized the WiFi at our host's house, and I never gave it a thought. I'd say wireless streaming is probably the least of your sound quality worries with your reasonably-priced setup. I'll be shocked if the amplifier used in the Peachtree unit isn't a Class D piece of (if you are into high-end audio) junk. 120 watts/channel, and the entire unit weighs 10 lbs? But again, let's adjust our expectations to match the pricing: They offer a Streamer, DAC, and amplifier (and phono pre-amp) for less than $900. Certainly I can recommend better stuff - for $9,000 - it seems likely to me that what they are offering for the money might be just fine. You can use the pre-amp outputs of the Peachtree unit if you'd rather listen through your Denon amp; and both offer the option to add a better DAC at a later time. Find someone with a decent outboard DAC and have them over for pizza and try their unit; it would be very easy to see how large (or small) an improvement could be made. The apps on these units might not be superior, but I would check to see if either, or both, have an app that will work with/on your tablet. People with younger eyes (you) may find their phone works OK; I find that (with reading glasses 😊 ) I'm perfectly happy with using my iPad to control my Streamer and don't wish for anything better. Here again, for less than $1000 you are doing a fairly amazing thing, you will have the ability to listen to a nearly unlimited smorgasbord of music in your living room by adding one box. I'm sure that for ten times more money you could find a better Streamer with a better app (and a better DAC). (Like the Cary DMS-550, which I happen to own - $4000 at a retailer near you...) Conclusion: There seems to be two options now for streaming (without incorporating a computer, which introduces its own noise-related problems even if you did have one in your living room), the under $1000 route that you are exploring, or the over $3000 (or $6000) option - with no options/products available in-between. I think either unit mentioned above would allow you a lot of flexibility, and sound WAY better than playing an MP3 file on your living room system. I'd lean toward the Bluesound just because streaming, and wireless streaming, is almost their main business - surely they have some clue on how to do it well. If they didn't, they wouldn't still be around to sell us... anything. AND, you don't need an amplifier anyway. If you go with the Node 2i, report back in a few weeks. It won't sound as good as your older and richer neighbor's $10K system, but I'll bet it is more than satisfactory for the small amount of money you will have had to invest in order to access TIDAL, and all its advantages.
  5. With order #8915, I assume if somehow I made it from the first few of the second batch to the (absolute) last one of the first batch, I'd already know about it? A good exercise in patience for me! I've obviously yet to hear the EtherREGEN (or read about it, been busy), but thanks for sticking with the project. I'm sure the EtherREGEN will give us people who depend on streaming a way to enjoy more of the music.
  6. The OP listens mostly to Jazz, but maybe doesn't prohibit other suggestions? I never paid too much attention to Allison Kraus until I saw her on CMT Crossroads with Robert Plant; it is one of the better shows I've ever seen on television (the same can be said for five or six of CMT's other pairings). Maybe I don't get out enough, but her solo rendition of When the Levee Breaks and the duet of Black Dog is the best example of how understatement can be spectacular that I've ever heard. Too bad neither are on the Raising Sand CD. I only listen to Allison Kraus "some", but in my book she is one of the better talents in the business now - she is one of the few "younger" modern performers who can rely solely on talent rather than smoke and mirrors and flash. My new favorite female vocalist was recommended to me by Pierre Sprey of Mapleshade: Kristin Andreassen. She sings "well", plus her songwriting is really good too. Some are songs are cute, some show a dry sense of humor (Readily available on TIDAL, at the least, start with My Crazy for humor, and Crayola Doesn't Make a Color for Your Eyes is quality music, and cute). If you fall in love with her and like Americana/Bluegrass, she is in a group called Uncle Earl that isn't shabby either. Speaking of smoke and mirrors and flash, I've never listened to Lady Gaga but I wonder if she has any recordings that showcase (only) vocal talent. I was surprised a couple of years ago, maybe at the Super Bowl (before overpaid whining pro athletes made the sport dead to me), as her rendition of The Star Spangled Banner is probably the best I've ever heard. Maybe we need another thread titled, "Who Knew He/She is Actually Great Singer!" My first nomination would be Kid Rock...
  7. Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Yes, this is a bit off-topic; however, no one will be utilizing an EtherREGEN if they haven't first installed a modem and router! For the time being, until I spring for a Power Re-generator (which may never happen), I am plugging my CD transport, streamer/DAC, and headphone amplifier (and eventually modem and router and EtherREGEN) into an IsoTek Sirius EVO3 Power Conditioner (this model comes in the form of a power strip, with six outlets); it receives its power via an IEC plug on one end. The power conditioner is serviced by a 12 gauge Silver Sonic cable from DH Labs; the power comes directly from a 15 amp circuit breaker in my 200 Amp box. See photo below; when I say directly, I mean: there is no duplex receptacle in the wall - it is one continuous run from the circuit breaker to the power conditioner. [Additionally (when I get caught up), I'll install a separate ground rod in the flower bed outside my Study window, and ground this one circuit independently from the main line coming into my house. According to people who used to design fighter jets, or design comm systems for submarines (imagine trying to fit, and isolate, every listening, video, and networking device in your entire neighborhood in a space the size of a nice walk-in closet), a separate ground is supposed to make a big difference in sound quality.] My equipment rack sits on brass footers with a 3/4" point on them (and the footers are threaded to the solid 1-1/4" steel rod), so "vibrations" should be (are!) transferred directly to my wood sub-floor. None of my cables, cords, or interconnects sit on the carpet. Maybe you can see from the photo below, right: I've re-purposed a slightly damaged laundry rack to "manage" my (ribbon) interconnects and shielded (also ribbon-based) power cords. It works for now; although I may come up with a more elegant solution in the future (suspend small diameter maple rods horizontally from the ceiling, supported by silk thread. You think I'm kidding 😊 ...). At least 90% of my listening is done by streaming music from TIDAL (thus the interest in a quality "sounding" modem and router - and the desire to utilize a router that does not include Wi-Fi). The only time I use my CD player, as a transport, is if I want to listen to CDs containing music not available on TIDAL. I do have some seriously well-recorded CDs from Mapleshade (and their other label, Wildchild) that aren't available anywhere else, as well as a few obscure others (known mainly because of her appearance on Rockstar Supernova, Dilana's Wonderfool is one). I have a computer in the other corner of the room, obviously powered on a different circuit, but I don't have any music stored anywhere other than on CDs, and there is no laptop or other kind of (non-audiophile) computer anywhere in the streaming chain. Literally, it is just modem, router, streamer, headphone amp, headphones. (On the way: EtherREGEN) I realize the music (data) I am streaming has gone through many many many other pieces of equipment before it reaches the coax cable running under my house, terminating at my modem. But, I'll bet not a single piece of that equipment is as cheaply made, from the least expensive parts that will possibly work, as what can be found in most consumer modems and routers. I do want to preserve whatever quality of signal that finally does make it to my modem - however good or bad it is when it comes to my house, I don't want to make it worse! Aside: I assume I'm going to have to be the first one to power my modem and router via the JS-2 Linear Power Supply, to see if an LPS for modem and router makes any difference in sound quality (vs their respective wall warts)? If no one has any thoughts, I guess it will also fall upon me to do some A-B testing of modems and routers. Maybe I'll stick with my all-in-one crapola modem/wi-fi router that allows me to donate another $13/month to Comcast, until my EtherREGEN unit arrives. Maybe by then I'll have all my other ducks in a row!
  8. So, everything else in my dedicated Streaming system matters, quality of Streamer/DAC, Headphone Amp, Headphones... As well as "better" analog and digital interconnects, power cords, lack of wall warts (usually), power conditioners, vibration isolation, etc... I've been hearing this for two years now (and now it is time to replace my cheap all-in-one Comcast supplied modem/router); any Modem and any Router will work as well as any other, for high-end audio, as long as each passes a signal. [It is agreed, having a router separate from one's modem seems to be better, but apparently not from a sound-quality standpoint.] I was about to replace the old 60' long coax line feeding my modem from the exterior cable box (under the house, easy to get to in 3' to 4' crawl space) - also a waste of time, yes? Coming from a Linn Sondek Turntable background (purchased in 1978, in an era where whatever was at the "front end" was all-important), it just seems a bit counter-intuitive to me that everything (EVERYTHING) else matters, save for one's modem and router. (Not directed at ericuco!) So, tell me one last time and I'll quit asking: The EtherREGEN will "scrub" the signal headed to the Streamer in my headphone setup; and, even when powered by wall warts, there is nothing a cheap modem or cheap Wi-Fi router can do to even marginally degrade it before it get there. Correct? A bit of humour, or at least amusement: Note in the David vs Goliath photo below, the little Schiit stack on the left. For 1/40 the price, it actually sounds really good!
  9. Every time I ask about modems and routers I get the same answer: Anything over the Ethernet is perfect, which modem and/or router, and/or combo unit I purchase won't (CAN'T) affect the sound quality coming out of my ($5000) streamer/DAC. (And, an LPS for my modem and router shouldn't have any effect on sound quality either...) And I guess Alex's thoughts about the Cisco switch he has been recommending, until the EtherREGEN is released, is just, what?, idiocy also? People who visit here care so I'll be glad to hear about your experiences. I just changed internet providers (fiber not available at my house), and I plan on purchasing a plain modem and (if I can find one) a stand-alone router. From the router (sans Wi-Fi), I plan to go one direction to my (hardwired) desktop, wireless access point, and television (maybe), and the other direction to the EtherREGEN (A-side) and my Streamer (from the B-side). Is trying to keep as many things out of the chain between my modem and Streamer sensible/important/imperative, or does it really just not matter. Is looking for a "better" quality modem and router just folly? In forty years in the high-end audio hobby I've yet to find something that doesn't matter - maybe this is a first? I think I understand: An all-in-one modem/router will almost never sound as good as a good modem connected to a good router (which will then send information from TIDAL, to my Streamer). I can't run my Ethernet cable from my modem directly to the EtherREGEN and on to my Streamer, I must have a router in-between. Supposedly, powering my modem and router with a LPS rather than wall-warts is beneficial to sound quality??? If I can find a stand-alone router without Wi-Fi built in, I can place a WAP elsewhere, centrally located, in my house. Other than logistics, if I must have a router before my EtherREGEN, and the router almost always has four outputs, in many cases will there be no reason to have to use the additional A-side outputs provided on the EtherREGEN? For use with Comcast/Charter coax service, does anyone recommend a particular stand-alone modem and stand-alone router? Or, will the EtherREGEN cover all sins, I should just buy any darn thing, don't worry about it? I just don't understand why the EtherREGEN will make a difference, an LPS for the router and modem makes a difference, but what modem and router I purchase doesn't make a difference. I'm sorry I'm old and not network savvy, but I am enthusiastic about this hobby. One last question: If I buy a separate modem and router, and the signal for my Streamer has to first pass through the router, should keeping the Wi-Fi electronics out of the router be beneficial? Or, should I just buy a decent modem, buy a (better or best) router with Wi-Fi, and then forget about it?
  10. John, you are very kind to reply. And I understand everything you said. My desire (perhaps misguided) is to not have the wireless router - a device not designed at all with the audiophile in mind - in the signal chain between TIDAL and my Streamer. As one who has been involved with high-end two-channel systems for many years (but knows little about networking), my goal was/is to simplify whatever is at the front end of the signal chain. I look at the modem/router as being like a Turntable and cartridge. If I add wireless capability to the modem I'm just introducing one more piece of equipment, not designed at all with the audiophile in mind, into the chain between TIDAL and my Streamer. If the digital signal is minimally but irreparably degraded by the all-in-one modem/wireless router before it ever gets to the EtherREGEN, then why am I spending $15K on all the equipment downstream!? For playing LPs, I want a good turntable and cartridge, the more simple the better. [Like my Linn Sondek: belt driven, one button (on/off), one speed, pick the tonearm up myself after each side of a record has finished playing.] I'm applying the same philosophy to my digital chain. Why in the world would I want to insert a modem also equipped with a wireless router into the chain (between TIDAL and my Streamer) if I don't have to; especially when no consideration at all is given to audio quality when these items are designed? NOW, in spite of all the high-end equipment downstream and the pains taken for dedicated mains circuits and power conditioners and vibration isolation and power cords and interconnects, maybe my goal of simplifying the modem/router is misplaced; maybe having the wireless router incorporated into the modem at the very beginning of the signal chain (at least the beginning, as it relates to equipment located in my house) is not a problem at all - and with the insertion of the EtherREGEN between any pretty-decent (say $200) all-in-one modem/wireless router and my Streamer, the data stream going to my Streamer will be as good as it possibly can be. I'll suggest if this were an analog signal, adding the wireless capability to the first piece of equipment in the signal chain would degrade the sound. BUT maybe this is not at all the case with a digital signal coming from a long ways away, to a box on the side of my house, to my all-in-one modem, and then on to my Streamer. Right now my cable company rents to me an all-in-one modem/router/wireless device, located at the front of my system. (This unit I will return as soon as I decide what modem and (separate?) wireless router I wish/need to purchase.) It has two RJ-45 output jacks. I have an Ethernet cable going from one of the device's outputs directly to my Streamer, and an Ethernet cable from the other output to an inexpensive NetGear switch - this switch services every other hard-wired device in my house. Although I question the modem/wireless router's contribution to high fidelity, this setup works fine: my Streamer is connected to the Internet and my iPad communicates with my Streamer. My question is still simple, and remains the same. The following configuration will work, music will play, every other device will be connected to the internet and will work as intended. And (necessary or not) as shown, the audio system is isolated from every other piece of equipment in the house. But, it is necessary for the iPad to communicate with the (Cary DMS-500) Streamer/DAC. I'm not one to sacrifice audio quality for convenience, but in this case the whole operation of the (almost any) Streamer is too cumbersome if one does not use the iPad as a remote. I fear the wireless router will have to be integrated with the Modem. Then (as John points out) everything downstream of the Modem/wireless router will be on the same LAN. Is it 100% certain the iPad will not communicate with the Streamer if the equipment configured as is shown below. Because the EtherREGEN (and by extension, the Streamer) is not connected to one of the Wireless Router's four LAN ports?
  11. Once you put the (by audiophile standards) piece of crap Wireless router between the modem and the EtherREGEN the signal is irreparably compromised. I think... Not to mention, now we have a THIRD piece of equipment that "needs" an LPS to supply its current-ial needs. 😣 I wish to separate the wireless router from the modem because I think I can find a decent quality modem that won't degrade the signal too much. I have no such confidence in finding an all-in-one modem/wireless router that won't negate thousands spent on other quality pieces of equipment. Another advantage of the schematic I presented is there are only three cables required between the box on the outside of my house and the Streamer. One long cable going under the house, in one piece, no connections or wall plates, connecting directly to my Modem. One high-quality 1-meter Ethernet cable from the Modem to the EtherREGEN, and one last 1-meter Ethernet cable from the EtherREGEN to the Streamer. In the schematic I presented earlier, I'm not worried about my Desktop Computer messing up the "sound" because: its digital signal is isolated by the EtherREGEN, the headphone system (including the LPS for the modem and EtherREGEN) is on its own dedicated mains circuit with its own power conditioner, and (from an electromagnetic standpoint) the Desktop is located fifteen feet away in the other corner of the room. My niece is working on her PhD in computer science; presents papers/research (as a graduate student) at conventions in Europe (and America) all the time. Wins awards. (Understatement:) perhaps a tutorial from her is in order!
  12. Thanks for your reply. Does the same apply for the wireless router? I think my real question is: Will the Streamer be allowed to communicate back and forth with the iPad, through the Wireless Router? Isn't there usually some sort of security at the wireless router, and if the Streamer doesn't have the correct identification (password?) the Wireless Router won't allow the exchange of information with the "random" device upstream (in this case, the Streamer)? Or is that security at the Modem?
  13. Gosh, we really are on the same wavelength. This is the first year ever I've filed for an extension (for personal taxes) and my wife thinks I should be finishing up our return and getting it behind us. Alternatively, I "need" to know how I am going to utilize a product that won't be delivered to my house for a least a month or two!
  14. Sadly I'm not a networking person, so I have a question. I use my iPad as a "remote control" for my DMS-500 Streamer - the iPad communicates with the Streamer via the wireless network. I was hoping to isolate "everything" from the Streamer (to the extent of: I considered a "dedicated" internet supply with its own modem that serviced nothing but the Streamer) but it seems that isn't possible. However, it seems I need to utilize the wireless network in order to use the Streamer (with the iPad, because using the Streamer's remote is cumbersome). Will the EtherREGEN, used as shown in the diagram below, allow the wireless router (and the iPad) to talk to the Streamer? I guess my question is: will the wireless router allow communication back "out" through its Ethernet "In" port? Thanks very much for your assistance; if I need to go another direction I might as well start thinking about it now! I guess plan B would be to place the wireless router between the Modem and the EtherREGEN ? Coming from an analog background, my instinct is to keep everything possible out of the path between the Modem and the Streamer! Thus the layout shown in the diagram below, where the path from the box on the side of my house to the Streamer is as direct as possible.
  15. I am in full agreement; to many of us, what is good for you is good for us. Those who think otherwise don't have to send you any money! I'd be happy to send $$ based on: You can send us $400 as partial payment for one example of the EtherREGEN, from our first production run. We will send you a bill/email when we are nearing a point where we are ready to ship. Although a target price, to which we will try to adhere, has been mentioned several times, we make no guarantee as to what the final price will be. You know we are doing our best to get a quality product into production, but we offer no guarantee as to when that will be either. Thank you for your interest in our product; and, if you send us a deposit we will gladly refund it at any time should you so desire. Edit: Superdad, I wrote this as you were posting. Whatever works for you works for us! I can see the efficiency of: you send us the entire amount and we'll ship you our product.
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