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  1. Thanks for the info. I've been exchanging some emails with Bubble too. Based on when he said, some renderers have to use your phone as a proxy if you don't have the Bubble server and OpenHome configured. I believe I confirmed that this is the case with my Sony blu-ray players because Qobuz tracks would stop playing shortly after I close the BubbleUPnP app on my phone. With Heos, the track would play to the end after I close the BubbleUPnP app. I think installing the Bubble server on my PC and configuring OpenHome for the renderers will make my phone a controller only, meaning that the BubbleUPnP app on my phone will not need to be a proxy server for my blu-ray players, and that I will not need to rely on my phone to pass the stream to the blu-ray players. Most of my renderers are hard-wired to my network, so I want to avoid streaming over wi-fi as much as possible. I don't know much about how Qobuz works with BubbleUPnP, so the above may be off-base. 🙂
  2. Do you mean what is described in this article? https://www.hifizine.com/2019/07/stream-qobuz-to-anything/ Did the BubbleUPnP app get updated since that article, such the you no longer need to run the server? Could you please explain the advantages of this with Qobuz? I am currently using Qobuz and the BubbleUPnP app (on my phone) without the server running on my PC, and it seems to be working fine with the renderers I've tested so far (a Sony BDP and Heos on a Marantz processor).
  3. Yep, been testing the BubbleUPnP app for Android with Qobuz, and it is working well streaming to a Sony BDP. Kind of cool that you can use your own FLAC library (minimserver running on my PC) and Qobuz within a single app. I usually use the HiFi Cast app for my PC FLAC libraryI'll also test with Heos on my Marantz processor as the renderer. I expect this will work well too. Curious about the nuts and bolts of how Qobuz works with BubbleUPnP. How does the Qobuz stream become a UPnP stream?
  4. Learned that the Yamaha WXC-50 does not have Qobuz support. I have been reading about using the mconnect Player app or the BubbleUPnP app as a work-arounds. Anyone have experience with these apps and Qobuz? Do they work well?
  5. Is anyone using a Yamaha WXC-50 streamer with Qobuz 16/44.1 and Hi-Res FLAC? Crutchfield lists Qobuz for this device, but I also read that Yamaha dropped Qobuz on this device.
  6. Trialing Qobuz Studio Premier. This is how it's supposed to work, based on my experience so far! Unlike Amazon Music HD, 24/96 or 16/44.1 FLAC seems to be working fine with the native app and a CCA. I like that both 16/44.1 and hi-res album versions can be selected, when applicable. I had a couple skips with 24/96 FLAC with a CCA in one location in my house, but a different CCA in a different location has not had skips. Need to do more testing on CCA reliability with Qobuz 24/96 FLAC. It's a shame that Heos does not have Qobuz Studio Premier compatibility. What other streaming hardware platforms are compatible with Qobuz at resolutions beyond 16/44.1?
  7. The same team that has not been able to implement Amazon's My Music within Heos? 😀😫 Any ideas on my other questions above?
  8. Thanks for this article and thread! This has really brought Qobuz to my attention! Given that it's been 2 months since the Amazon Music HD launch, and the hardware device compatibility issues have not been improved/addressed, trying Qobuz is very tempting. For the streaming device platforms below, I understand the following. Please comment if I am wrong or if there is other relevant info. Heos - no native compatibility within Heos or with Qobuz Connect using the native Qobuz app. I wonder why? Chromecast Audio - the native Qobuz app can be used to cast up to 24/96 FLAC to a CCA. For 24/192 FLAC from Qobuz, does the CCA of Qobuz server downsample to 24/96 FLAC? Sonos - not sure on the details. I believe you can use a Qobuz app within the Sonos app, but not sure if you can use the native Qobuz app with the Connect feature. Does anyone know if the native Qobuz app works with Sonos? Of course, the max resolution on Sonos is 16/44.1.
  9. For Sonos, it would be interesting if someone could clock the Sonos device on their router while playing "HD" and "Ultra HD" tracks to determine if both are in the right bitrate range for 16/44.1 FLAC. I figured that Amazon Music would also have a "HD" 16/44.1 version of every track they have in "Ultra HD", rather than doing real-time downsampling to each Sonos device, for example...unless Sonos can downsample. Heos (at least built-in Heos) supports "HD" and "Ultra HD" at their native bit depths and sampling rates. But, as I've mentioned before, the Amazon Music app within Heos in clunky and lacks My Music. Not sure if the Heos Link HS2 will do 24/192 from the digital outs, but I would guess it can. If Heos adds My Music, it will become a great platform for Amazon Music HD. The $350 Heos Link HS2 is not "too bad" of an add-on cost, IMO. I'm surprised Amazon does not make a streaming box that can decode and digitally output the full native native bit depths and sampling rates. Seems like they should have had this available at the time of the launch. However, if such a box existed, it's not clear how it would integrate with the Amazon Music app, since Alexa Cast only directs the "SD" lossy stream, IME.
  10. Yeah, BluOS seems like the best option, as it will receive the native resolutions and My Music is present. Heos is pretty compromised because My Music is not present, although it will receive all the native resolutions. Just seems to me that not having a feature like Spotify's Connect (that works so ubiquitously) is going to limit the acceptance of Music HD. We'll see. With the 90 day free trial, I've got no skin the the game, but would likely enroll if they can at least get My Music to work with Heos.
  11. I was thinking along the lines of people paying for the HD tier after the free trial runs out...or people forgetting to cancel after the free trial. 🙂
  12. Yeah, I am kind of getting to the point of asking why Amazon launched HD...and why now. Sure, to make more money is the reason. It's obvious that broad hardware compatibility at launch was not a priority. If Amazon quickly launches a bunch of new hardware that supports HD and UHD, then it's easy to see that they want to sell the service and hardware to support it, kind of as a bundle. But as of now, seems like they launched HD to grab the attention of the average consumer who is willing to spend a few bucks more a month for a "Premium" service, but does not really understand or care about the resolution they are getting on their devices. The launch was not aimed at enthusiasts who know and care about how the streaming resolutions should work on their equipment, IMO. I hope that, in a couple months, I'll be able to look back at the launch and say that it was a rough start, but Amazon quickly implemented solutions across multiple hardware platforms...but huge companies are rarely quick.
  13. Thanks. Sadly, that's what I figured. The CCA can handle FLAC up to 24/96, so I assume that Amazon is limiting the quality to standard when casting (and also when using Alexa Cast). In addition to Heos, I've also briefly tried Amazon Music HD with a Sonos Connect via digital coax to my Marantz processor. Supposedly, Sonos will received the 16/44.1 FLAC streams, but there is no quality badge in the Sonos version of Amazon Music. Someone on another forum confirmed that he was seeing bit rates in-line with 16/44.1 FLAC. At least with Sonos, My Music is available within their version of Amazon Music. Every time I open Amazon Music within the Heos app, I'm hoping that My Music will magically appear. It has not yet.
  14. A couple experiences and thoughts: D/M Heos: Using the Amazon Music app within Heos with playback on my Marantz processor, HD and UHD tracks are playing at their native resolution, so playback is working as it should. However, there is no “My Music”, so you have to manually search for each artist, album, track you want to play. Pretty inconvenient. Using the native Amazon Music app and using Alexa Cast and the Heos skill limits the stream to 256 kbps AAC for all tracks. Net, in the Heos context, there is no way to use the native app and get HD and UHD tracks in their native resolution. CCA: There is no way to tell what resolution is being sent when casting from the native app to a CCA. I suspect 256 kbps AAC based on what Alexa Cast does. I suspect that even when the HD badge is lit, the CCA is still just receiving 256 kbps AAC, but I can’t confirm this. It would be interesting if someone had the capability to clock the CCA on their router when playing some HD and UHD tracks to confirm whether the average bitrate is in line with 256 kbps AAC or 16/44.1 FLAC. So, as of now, Amazon Music HD is crippled by insufficient hardware compatibility in the both the PC and streaming hardware contexts. This is disappointing. Because the Echo Studio literature indicates HD compatibility, I wonder if Alexa Cast and casting in general will be updated to at least enable 16/44.1 FLAC. IMO, to be successful, Amazon needs to implement a feature like Spotify’s Connect to enable playback at the highest resolution that the targeted device can handle.
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