zackthedog Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Touch dry ice and you'll swear it's hot.Watch David Copperfield make the elephant disappear and you'll swear it's gone. Trust the Science first, the dry ice measures cold and we know it's physically impossible for the elephant to disappear. In all cases your have to combine bias controlled blind testing with measurement before any sighted impressions can be given any validity. I agree to a certain extent. Measure, and learn to hear what meaures properly. You can train your ears to understand what good measurements entail. But that doesn't mean you can't prefer something that doesn't measure perfectly. :-) Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 But that doesn't mean you can't prefer something that doesn't measure perfectly. :-) Ah that's a big 10-4 there good buddy! "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
new_media Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I remember this thread being created, but I don't think I ever responded. At any rate, Belkin Gold 2 meter on one DAC, and a toslink cable I found in a bin in the attic on the other. Link to comment
Harpy Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Phoenix Contact https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/Phoenix-Contact/1654853/277-8507-ND/2553507 Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Computer Audiophile mobile app Dahlquist DQ-10 Speakers DQ-LP1 crossover 2 DW-1 Subs Dynaco Mk III Mains - Rotel 991 Subs Wyred W4S Pre Gustard X10 DAC SOtM dx-USB-HD reclocked SOtMmBPS-d2s Intel Thin-mini ITX Link to comment
michaelD Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Never really understood why USB even exits in audio. Seems since laptops have been around it was the only way to connect I argue not very well but probably better then Bluetooth. XLR is one of the oldest ways to connect devices and I submit still the best. The audio industry has gone way out of their way to accommodate the USB in my opinion what a waste of time. Turning off the power within the USB or having an external power wire what a joke. It will not happen but if th USB died for audio tomorrow it would not be fast enough. 2 Channel: Bricasti M20, 21 & M28 SE /Aurender N30SA and MC10 Master clock Treatments: Acoustical panels(F, S & R walls) Misc.: SR Master Fuses Speakers: Martin Logan CLX ART (Dark Cherry) w/30# weights / 2-ML 212's Grounding: QKore 1&6 / Networking: SOtM switch, clock and Pwr Supply / AQ Diamond /SR Router Power: Furutech GTX-DNCF / Oyaide inwall wire Nordost: 2-QB8 III, QV2's, QK1's, QSine, QWave, QX4, TC Kones, Sort Fut & LIft / Full OG Loom / 3-QSource & 12-QPoints, QNet, V2 Network Misc.: iPad 6 /Custom Rack Media Rm: ML: 13A's, 2-Descent i's, 6- Vanquish, Focus / 3-Parasound A23 / Legacy iV-3 Ultra / 77" LG 4k OLED / Anthem AVM90 / Pioneer Elite DVD Nordost: Odin/T2/H2, BC Kones, H2 Network, V2 HDMI Link to comment
plissken Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I remember this thread being created, but I don't think I ever responded. At any rate, Belkin Gold 2 meter on one DAC, and a toslink cable I found in a bin in the attic on the other. Same here with the Belkin Gold. Link to comment
amitpaul Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I use USB cable but not know what the name of this Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I was looking in my box of cables today and found a AQ Forest 2 meter cable in it. Not sure where it came from but I think the prior owner of my Marantz Pre/Pro gave it to me with a few other cables he threw in the box. No real use for it currently, only my printer is on a long USB line. DAC runs on Toslink. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Klavier Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Audioquest Carbon DALI Epicon 2; SVS SB 13 Ultra; Primaluna Premium Dialogue HP integrated amp; Esoteric K-03; VPI Scout 1.1/Ortofon 2M Black; Audeze LCD-XC phones; JRiver MC22 Link to comment
One and a half Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Never really understood why USB even exits in audio. Seems since laptops have been around it was the only way to connect I argue not very well but probably better then Bluetooth. XLR is one of the oldest ways to connect devices and I submit still the best. The audio industry has gone way out of their way to accommodate the USB in my opinion what a waste of time. Turning off the power within the USB or having an external power wire what a joke. It will not happen but if th USB died for audio tomorrow it would not be fast enough. I agree the 5V with and without, clean 5V and so on was a stop gap measure to accomplish what is obvious but difficult to remove. Two things, the potential of the computer and the DAC will always be different. This provides a conduit of noise leakage currents, to flow from even other devices not relating to the two entities, which really complicates things. USB can deliver very high rates DSD and PCM, AES3 192kHz max. XLR can be isolated, however the transformers used to isolate are not cheap, and they pass through differential noise with ease. The mechanism to create and store music is well defined, but the transmission out of the computer is where the frontier lies, to boldly go, so to speak, thanks Star Trek. AES3 has a well meaning clock, but traditional receivers were/are so lousy at extracting that clock, it's best to make a new clock altogether with higher precision. If the library only has redbook, then AES3 and a good reclocker is the way to go. Anything above 192kHz needs USB, so we're stuck with that system for the time being. Some USB fixes work, it's transformed my DAC into something palatable approaching the output of SACD I own, so there's just daylight between them. It's knowing to how identify noise, then apply reduction/blocking system work. If it were simple to measure, like a voltmeter, but leakage currents are small,difficult to measure but their effect on a DAC is considerable. Companies like ifi, Uptone, Intona exist to block these transmission of leakage currents, still a long way to go, but at least we are out of the dark ages. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
Tokobjork Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Solid silver cable by Lavricables (30cm version). Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Tokobjork said: Solid silver cable by Lavricables (30cm version). Maybe create a silver necklace for your lady out of it, then it would be useful. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
chauphuong Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Pls have some comments. I am contemplating buying one. Link to comment
Wizzer Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 28 minutes ago, chauphuong said: Pls have some comments. I am contemplating buying one. I purchased Curious Cable ,.Some dislike it for various reasons in favour of other brands however there are others like myself that do like it compared to other brands ,. With testimonies of Curious Cables aside two reasons to purchase was their money refund if you do not care for it including free return shipping policy,. Who else in the wire business offers this ? Secondly was Rob Woodlands back ground with Eichmann which I use in cabling and chassis connections of my Lamm amplifiers and preamp . Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 12 hours ago, chauphuong said: Pls have some comments. I am contemplating buying one. These are digital data cables, anything beyond a well constructed cable like these from BlueJeanCable http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/index.htm would be a total and complete waste of money. "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Wizzer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Sal1950 said: These are digital data cables, anything beyond a well constructed cable like these from BlueJeanCable http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/data-cables/index.htm would be a total and complete waste of money. Yes Sal and I would agree off the bat as I used Bluejean HDMI cabling for PS Audio 12s connection , a five dollar cable VS Audio society approved and award winning brand bull sh* t cabling costing hundreds .,.. It's just packets of information so how on earth is a Off the shelf USB printer cable differ from Curious Cable or any other USB cable? I would sooner spend under $10.00 for a wire because I understand it's just packets of digital information and nothing else . Well I was fully prepared to return Curious Cable even before I took delivery of it however it didn't turn out that way . Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Wizzer said: Yes Sal and I would agree off the bat as I used Bluejean HDMI cabling for PS Audio 12s connection , a five dollar cable VS Audio society approved and award winning brand bull sh* t cabling costing hundreds .,.. It's just packets of information so how on earth is a Off the shelf USB printer cable differ from Curious Cable or any other USB cable? I would sooner spend under $10.00 for a wire because I understand it's just packets of digital information and nothing else . Well I was fully prepared to return Curious Cable even before I took delivery of it however it didn't turn out that way . So you decided they were pretty and paid the $400 regardless of the sudo-science rip off marketing? "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Wizzer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sal1950 said: So you decided they were pretty and paid the $400 regardless of the sudo-science rip off marketing? Oh well ,... Link to comment
Klavier Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Sal1950 said: So you decided they were pretty and paid the $400 regardless of the sudo-science rip off marketing? Is it necessary to insult one's choices? I guess so... DALI Epicon 2; SVS SB 13 Ultra; Primaluna Premium Dialogue HP integrated amp; Esoteric K-03; VPI Scout 1.1/Ortofon 2M Black; Audeze LCD-XC phones; JRiver MC22 Link to comment
Samuel T Cogley Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Sal1950 said: So you decided they were pretty and paid the $400 regardless of the sudo-science rip off marketing? I dunno, I must be doing it wrong: user@ubuntu:~$ sudo science sudo: science: command not found Solstice380 1 Link to comment
Sal1950 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 12 hours ago, Wizzer said: Well I was fully prepared to return Curious Cable even before I took delivery of it however it didn't turn out that way . Amazing how Expectation Bias can have a powerful influence on realities perception isn't it? Now are you guys happier with a more PC reply??? "The gullibility of audiophiles is what astonishes me the most, even after all these years. How is it possible, how did it ever happen, that they trust fairy-tale purveyors and mystic gurus more than reliable sources of scientific information?" Peter Aczel - The Audio Critic R.I.P. MQA 2014-2023: Hyped product thanks to uneducated, uncritical advocates & captured press. Link to comment
Tokobjork Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 She would not be pleased then to hear that the necklace was very inexpensive... 30cm silver Lavricables cost 35 EUR. I think this cable works nice in music setup. Better constructed than other cheap ones: "4 x 28AWG (0.33mm) 6N solid silver wires in oversized PTFE Teflon insulation". Link to comment
Wizzer Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Tokobjork said: She would not be pleased then to hear that the necklace was very inexpensive... 30cm silver Lavricables cost 35 EUR. I think this cable works nice in music setup. Better constructed than other cheap ones: "4 x 28AWG (0.33mm) 6N solid silver wires in oversized PTFE Teflon insulation". There is an in-depth article in Psychology Today about poofs like Sal1950 , just pay no attention to this angry childish ,.....man? Solstice380 1 Link to comment
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