SACD ripping using your PS3 (part 2)

[ted_b]

Hi Ted:

 

Does it means my PS3 of CECHG~ without SACD playback feature can now rip SACD also?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Ahhhh no. The PS3's must, of course, be capable of supporting/playing SACD's in order to rip them. That means CECHA, CECHB, CECHC and CECHE. The restrictions were to the inability to downgrade firmware and still be a custom firmware candidate. Soon there will be instructions on how to take any of these four machine models and down grade to 3.55 (if 3.55 will still even be a goal).

[Audio_ELF]

Does it means my PS3 of CECHG~ without SACD playback feature can now rip SACD also?

I'm not ted but... No, you'll still need one if the early PS3s which were capable of playing SACDs.

[dchan88]

Ahhhh no. The PS3's must, of course, be capable of supporting/playing SACD's in order to rip them. That means CECHA, CECHB, CECHC and CECHE. The restrictions were to the inability to downgrade firmware and still be a custom firmware candidate. Soon there will be instructions on how to take any of these four machine models and down grade to 3.55 (if 3.55 will still even be a goal).

 

 

It makes sense. Actually I am trying to get a CECHA machine tomorrow, so I just want to make sure.

 

Please PM me the instruction on how to rip SACD when you have time.

 

Many thanks.

[ted_b]

It makes sense. Actually I am trying to get a CECHA machine tomorrow, so I just want to make sure.

 

Please PM me the instruction on how to rip SACD when you have time.

 

Many thanks.

 

PM sent...but realize that unless your CECHA machine is now 3.55 or less you may be waiting a bit for the SACD ripper gods on the web to create and extrude the instructions for the newly found "down-versioning" capability. It's not like there is a website or anything. I will keep my eyes open, but still.

[wisnon]

The sacd capable PS3's value won't go down in value I bet. It's still a rare model as most of those made are probably dead due to YLOD. The ones that are still running and good will still bring a premium.

 

The 3.55 was a HUGE restriction because of that fact, but also because you were buying blind on trust. You first had to find a compatible model and THEN verify that it was 3.55 or less, if that were possible. Plus, you had to trust that it wss not DOA. Now you potentially have one major restriction removed, so the supply is massively more. It is hard to find an old model that was not updated past 3.55!

[psimeon]

HOT OFF THE PRESSES!!!!!!!!

 

GREAT NEWS!!!!

 

I just chatted with Mr Wicked. And it seems there was some news this week in the PS3 scene that the keys are now available for 'lv0'. This means there will be firmware downgrades available in the very near future for all PS3s, so the limit will be completely removed..Stay tuned for more details

 

Hi Ted,

I'm new to this group, though I have read quite a few posts in the past. This is great news, indeed. Will this also allow to make a new version of the SACD ripper which could run on the 4.25 Firmware? It would be great to have a reasonably recent firmware and the SACD ripper at the same time. I currently have Firmware 3.70 and was looking for a downgrade. Until now I have ripped the SACDs (Stereo only) via SP-DIF on a modified Pioneer DV-747, but would like to get access to the DSD Files directly.

[ted_b]

Hi Ted,

I'm new to this group, though I have read quite a few posts in the past. This is great news, indeed. Will this also allow to make a new version of the SACD ripper which could run on the 4.25 Firmware? It would be great to have a reasonably recent firmware and the SACD ripper at the same time. I currently have Firmware 3.70 and was looking for a downgrade. Until now I have ripped the SACDs (Stereo only) via SP-DIF on a modified Pioneer DV-747, but would like to get access to the DSD Files directly.

 

Welcome to CA. That is a good question. I doubt mr wicked will create a new ripper; I think what will happen is that higher firmware players will need to be versioned down to 3.55, but at least that will now be possible. Just my hunch.

[wisnon]

Yeah, apparently in firmware versions higher than 3.55 Sony disabled the SACD playback feature in a "software manner". It is this software playback that is being intercepted by the ripper and captured on disk/thumb drive.

[psimeon]

Ok, I understand. Anyway, once we have to possibility to downgrade, we can always up and downgrade whenever we need to. That's good enough for now. Looking forward to a downgrade solution.

[wisnon]

Ok, I understand. Anyway, once we have to possibility to downgrade, we can always up and downgrade whenever we need to. That's good enough for now. Looking forward to a downgrade solution.

 

How do you rip the SACDs (Stereo only) via SP-DIF on a modified Pioneer DV? Please explain.

[harrypt]

Wow, this would be great news.

 

I have two 3.55 machines. Now maybe I could could update one without fear of losing my backup machine and let my nieces and nephews play a video game at my house. I've been looking like the A-hole uncle that won't let them play with my toys

[psimeon]

How do you rip the SACDs (Stereo only) via SP-DIF on a modified Pioneer DV? Please explain.

 

The Pioneer DV-747 was modified with a board, which converts the DSD-Signal to PCM and outputs that on three separate SP-DIF outputs (Left/Right, Center/Sub, Left Surround/Right Surround). The converted signal is 88 kHz/24 Bit and can be feed into a digital sound capture card. I use a Juli@ PCI-Soundcard from ESI on an old G4 Mac (should also work on Intel Mac PROs).

 

These boards were mainly developed by a Swiss speaker company (which produced the Campana digital speakers) to connect DVD-Audio players digitally to their speakers and sold through a Swiss company DVD-Upgrades. In case anyone is interested, there might still be some boards around for older Pioneer players, though they are no longer listed on their web site (which is now http://www.highdefinition.ch). I could check with the engineers.

 

Peter

[ted_b]

The Pioneer DV-747 was modified with a board, which converts the DSD-Signal to PCM and outputs that on three separate SP-DIF outputs (Left/Right, Center/Sub, Left Surround/Right Surround). The converted signal is 88 kHz/24 Bit and can be feed into a digital sound capture card. I use a Juli@ PCI-Soundcard from ESI on an old G4 Mac (should also work on Intel Mac PROs).

 

These boards were mainly developed by a Swiss speaker company (which produced the Campana digital speakers) to connect DVD-Audio players digitally to their speakers and sold through a Swiss company DVD-Upgrades. In case anyone is interested, there might still be some boards around for older Pioneer players, though they are no longer listed on their web site (which is now http://www.highdefinition.ch). I could check with the engineers.

 

Peter

 

I used to have that player with same upgrade board. Was decent multichannel option, but sold it before I discovered the Metric Halo LIO-8. You should LOVE that DAC.

[wisnon]

Harrypt,

Better to buy a newer one cheap on Ebay! You dont want them to burn out your PCB and then you have to send to Calif to do a reballing for $120. Even with downgrading, you still have to protect the relatively few compatible PS3 which are all in the process of dying anyway...

[Synfreak]

For those interested in modifying a DVD/SACD universal player, please take a closer look at:

Audiopraise :: Specialist in digital electronics and signal processing

 

I'm using a "Vanity" equipped Pioneer (DV 656 A) player and have successfully recorded the PCM output via my RME 9632 card.

 

The newer board, which could be very easy fit into an OPPO BluRay player (BDP93), looks also tempting.

 

These - and the swiss made ones mentioned above - are the ones to be prefered to the OPPO --> Atlona HDMI de-embedding break-out box method, because the chipset (used in the OPPOs to convert from DSD to PCM) has way to low headroom and tends to clip a lot of the SACD material out there.

 

Cheers

Harald

[ted_b]

For those interested in modifying a DVD/SACD universal player, please take a closer look at:

Audiopraise :: Specialist in digital electronics and signal processing

 

I'm using a "Vanity" equipped Pioneer (DV 656 A) player and have successfully recorded the PCM output via my RME 9632 card.

 

The newer board, which could be very easy fit into an OPPO BluRay player (BDP93), looks also tempting.

 

These - and the swiss made ones mentioned above - are the ones to be prefered to the OPPO --> Atlona HDMI de-embedding break-out box method, because the chipset (used in the OPPOs to convert from DSD to PCM) has way to low headroom and tends to clip a lot of the SACD material out there.

 

Cheers

Harald

 

Agreed about Oppo, de-embedder and clipping from Mediatek chip. I am still flumuxed why Oppo didn't allow DSD file playback with their new asynch USB Oppo 105 (the damn chip already does the DSD work with SACD discs, why not DSF files too).

[Danny]

Hello Ted,

Can you send me your guide about SACD ripping?

My CD collection is converted to FLACs and played from a NAS server with foobar. Very convenient and no more messing around with CDs.

I never thought it would be possible to play SACD with foobar, but I just stumbled on this thread and the Foobar SACD decoder.

So now we can have the quality of SACD and the convenience of a NAS+mediaplayer :-)

Something else: after trying different USB interfaces for my DAC, I found this excellent converter: waveIO

Regards,

Danny

[ted_b]

PM sent. Welcome to CA.

 

I prefer J River, but Foobar is good too.

[Urs]

Hello Ted

 

Though I am ripping my SACDs since more than a year, it would be great if you pm me the location to your ripping documentation. I would like to verify that I am doing all the steps correctly.

 

Many thanks in advance!

[crazysounds]

Ted,

 

Please PM your latest on sacd for PS3 ripping. I have tried Lynx 22 card stream out to HD and then decode and then try to get songs separate with other tools, but seems to have glitches, pops, gaps, so may need to go to your approach.

 

Thanks!!

[ted_b]

Ted,

 

Please PM your latest on sacd for PS3 ripping. I have tried Lynx 22 card stream out to HD and then decode and then try to get songs separate with other tools, but seems to have glitches, pops, gaps, so may need to go to your approach.

 

Thanks!!

 

Unfortunately there is no other approach. Any other solution is either PCM-based or capturing analog outs. Your Lynx will not grab DSD, regardless. PM sent.

[agentsmith]

I am watching this post like a hawk regarding news on the availability of downgrading >3.55 machines. I am lucky to be in procession of a pristine 3.55 machine that I use for ripping, and I am pampering it like my first girlfriend. Once the downgrade is possible I will try to get a couple more and be a PS3 polygamist

[ted_b]

I am watching this post like a hawk regarding news on the availability of downgrading >3.55 machines. I am lucky to be in procession of a pristine 3.55 machine that I use for ripping, and I am pampering it like my first girlfriend. Once the downgrade is possible I will try to get a couple more and be a PS3 polygamist

 

I feel the same, and will let all know when I know something.

[agentsmith]

I feel the same, and will let all know when I know something.

 

Thanks Ted, as usual, I am sure you will.

[crazysounds]

Thanks Ted for the PM data downloads. Now I need to wait for the holy grail downgrade method that some genius figures out, for my PS3 which is SACD ready, but unfortunately I upgraded above 3.55 before realizing my mistake.

 

Cheers.