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I'm also afraid. I use Roon for many years exclusively. I keep Foobar2000 as a AIO tool since it allows tag editing and folder browsing. I've bought Audirvana Classic and I stopped upgrading since Jriver 28.

 

The UNBELIEVABLE integration of local music and Tidal has changed forever my listening. Although I'm Greek and it's far from perfect I enjoy every second at least the English and Classical parts.

 

BUT now I fear the paywall. Crippled editions, XYZ exclusive to the brands etc. Roon has become a big player in audio and I don't think that they will let that advantage.

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4 hours ago, botrytis said:

I don't use streaming because artists get almost no money for it as only the top artists get money and it is pennies, but that was discussed in another thread. I would rather pay the artist, like on Bandcamp, than pay for streaming.

 

If you like streaming by all means use it but, paying money like that - no for me.  This is from 2023.

 

Streaming Platform Average Payout per Stream
Tidal $0.01284
Apple Music $0.008
Amazon Music $0.00402
Spotify $0.00318
YouTube Music $0.002
Pandora $0.00133
Deezer $0.0011

 

Tidal pays 1.2 cents per stream and that is the highest average. meaning artists who get more streams get a little more. Streaming lines the pockets of the labels, not the artists.

 

on the other hand I've discovered a lot of new artists and albums I've never heard by artists I know. That has led to a lot of physical media being purchased that they would never have sold without streaming. On another other hand, some of that is used vinyl records for out of print titles so the artist got nothing from that. 

 

It is a complicated topic, but I don't think the fact that you refuse to stream has any bearing on anything other than making you feel good about it. If you want to help the artists get a streaming service and leave it on 24/7 so some artist  is always getting a little bit

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, botrytis said:

Tidal pays 1.2 cents per stream and that is the highest average. meaning artists who get more streams get a little more. Streaming lines the pockets of the labels, not the artists.

They all pay the same. It's just that Tidal listeners don't stream as much music. It's all percentage based. 

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6 minutes ago, bbosler said:

 

on the other hand I've discovered a lot of new artists and albums I've never heard by artists I know. That has led to a lot of physical media being purchased that they would never have sold without streaming. On another other hand, some of that is used vinyl records for out of print titles so the artist got nothing from that. 

 

It is a complicated topic, but I don't think the fact that you refuse to stream has any bearing on anything other than making you feel good about it. If you want to help the artists get a streaming service and leave it on 24/7 so some artist  is always getting a little bit

 

 

 

I can't possibly listen to the amount of music I have currently (includes about 3500 vinyl lps, about the same in CD's, and say 6 TB of high res music (not all duplicates or triplicates). That is what I use bandcamp and various music magazines for. I tend to be the curious type so I will listen to anything once. I don't need streaming to help me with that. 

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Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

They all pay the same. It's just that Tidal listeners don't stream as much music. It's all percentage based. 

 

I understand that. As I said above - I don't need streaming to point me to new music, I find too much on my own. 😁

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A Korean newspaper's take on this is that it is Samsung wanting to push further into the automotive market. There are many folks who very much like Roon's metadata and UI (I'm not one of them, but it's just personal taste), and I could see a voice controlled car audio system using that metadata and search-driven UI as something that Samsung might think would provide it a marketing advantage with auto makers.

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When conglomerates are involved, all bets are off. It’s really impossible to know much, partially because all of this can change in a moment based on the needs of a company like Samsung.

 

Think of the companies Apple has purchased and what it did with the products. It’s all over the board. Some are still around and successful while others were killed. 

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9 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

When conglomerates are involved, all bets are off. It’s really impossible to know much, partially because all of this can change in a moment based on the needs of a company like Samsung.

 

Think of the companies Apple has purchased and what it did with the products. It’s all over the board. Some are still around and successful while others were killed. 

Harman bough them for car integration... if Harman fails (jury still out) Samsung may divest..... could kill ROON. Future less clear. The ROON team wanted to cash out. 

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11 hours ago, playtron said:

Harman bough them for car integration... if Harman fails (jury still out) Samsung may divest..... could kill ROON. Future less clear. The ROON team wanted to cash out. 

It would be ashame, Harman has some great brands.

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21 hours ago, playtron said:

Harman bough them for car integration... if Harman fails (jury still out) Samsung may divest..... could kill ROON. Future less clear. The ROON team wanted to cash out. 

Yeah, but if Samsung thinks it's a failed tech, the original team could get it back on the cheap. And they've already made money on it. 

I've seen that happen a few times. 

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Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

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I could see some powered Revel M126Be's with Roon as the front end. If they could come in at a decent price point and also sound as good as the Revels do, they would have a huge seller.

 

My opinion :D

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I think how good or bad this is really depends on how you weigh the likelihood of Roon failing on its own versus the likelihood of Harman killing it. As someone who’s recently adopted Roon and loves it, I really want Roon to stay around. I also want it to get licensing to integrate Apple Music and other services. I have no idea if the former is more likely under Harman, but I think the latter is. And I say this as someone who’s pretty “meh” on Harman’s target curve and products. (I briefly owned the M126be mentioned by @botrytis and sold them pretty quickly.)

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On 11/28/2023 at 3:06 PM, Dr Tone said:

Roon life timer.

 

I haven't really used it years, just applying the updates.  Apple Music integration will never happen, after Apple Music offered lossless I've been pretty much using it exclusively to listen to new stuff.

Haven’t used Roon the last 3 years. Two lifetime subcribtions>…….

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1 hour ago, Josh Mound said:


Are they transferable? If so, put me in line behind Ray! Haha.

 

1 hour ago, Josh Mound said:

I think how good or bad this is really depends on how you weigh the likelihood of Roon failing on its own versus the likelihood of Harman killing it. As someone who’s recently adopted Roon and loves it, I really want Roon to stay around. I also want it to get licensing to integrate Apple Music and other services. I have no idea if the former is more likely under Harman, but I think the latter is. And I say this as someone who’s pretty “meh” on Harman’s target curve and products. (I briefly owned the M126be mentioned by @botrytis and sold them pretty quickly.)

😁 no accounting for taste... 🤣

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https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2023/12/419_319900.html

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Samsung has affiliates for manufacturing display panels and batteries, and the conglomerate was expected to bolster its competitiveness in connected car products.

Among Harman's key products is a digital cockpit featuring monitors that are replacing the traditional instrument clusters inside cars. They provide a digital experience for drivers via multiple screens, voice assistance and other means of input.

 

Well, do we even know what "cockpit" is supposed to mean?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/06/cars-collect-extensive-personal-data-on-drivers-study-warns

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The Mozilla research suggests that six car companies can collect intimate information, including a driver’s medical information and genetic information. How fast a person drives, where they drive to and the songs they listen to in their car were also included.

Nissan includes “sexual activity”, in the data it collects and Kia notes that it can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy, Mozilla said.

Kia’s privacy policy states it may process “special categories” of data, including “information about your race or ethnicity, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sex life and political opinions” and “trade union membership”.

 

Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage until Mexican government stepped in

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050381

https://nomadscrolls.net/2023/10/23/samsung-and-other-manufacturers-disable-phones-bought-on-gray-markets-a-consumer-nightmare/

 

It's pretty much like they could actually do anything they want, do we still wanna have a piece of that Samsung "goodness" for real?

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10 hours ago, seeteeyou said:

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/tech/2023/12/419_319900.html

 

Well, do we even know what "cockpit" is supposed to mean?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/06/cars-collect-extensive-personal-data-on-drivers-study-warns

 

Samsung disables customer phones remotely, holds data hostage until Mexican government stepped in

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050381

https://nomadscrolls.net/2023/10/23/samsung-and-other-manufacturers-disable-phones-bought-on-gray-markets-a-consumer-nightmare/

 

It's pretty much like they could actually do anything they want, do we still wanna have a piece of that Samsung "goodness" for real?

 

Jeep does this already with the McIntosh amps in the Jeep Grand Wagoneer

 

McIntosh Automotive: The Vehicles (mcintoshlabs.com)

 

 

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Who knows these days. Information is money, these days.

 

Just because I am paranoid, doesn't mean people don't want my information.

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7 minutes ago, seeteeyou said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/car-manufacturer-data-privacy-driver-passenger-sexual-activity-report/

 

Tesla workers shared private ‘scenes of intimacy’ filmed by car cameras: report

https://nypost.com/2023/04/06/tesla-employees-shared-private-scenes-of-intimacy-filmed-by-car-cameras-report/

 

So that's how you're supposed to treat your customers when you wanna be the richest man in the world, while keeping your employees VERY happy then?

 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-richest-people-in-the-world-in-2023/

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20 biggest GDPR fines so far [2023]

https://dataprivacymanager.net/5-biggest-gdpr-fines-so-far-2020/

 

They're gonna have a good laugh at "regulators" even if they're paying some fines here and there, business as usual since they'll simply treat that kinda chump change as nothing more than the costs of doing business.

 

Pretty much the same deal as these guys since IMHO it's just a drop in the bucket

 

https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/top-100-parents

 


 

Are my apps spying on me? A paranoid’s guide to digital life

https://blog.avast.com/are-my-apps-spying-on-me

 

Now we've gotta understand why we're better off supporting FOSS for so many different reasons, unfortunately plenty of manufacturers don't feel like playing by the rules

 

https://www.musicpd.org/commercial.html

 

Aren't we still wondering why lots of Roon users were reporting high CPU usage / heavy network traffic on their official forums? LOL

When you set up your music system offline - like @Iving did - you may have a point.

If you disallow online access of Roon you may have a kind of bad temper without your beloved music, however if your car doesn't start because you defended your privacy we play in another ballpark.

On another side of that game is the use of spy eyes and micros in our private environment, which I personally try to avoid and limit as much as possible.

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