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Can you give the catalog numbers of the Drake releases? I'm having trouble figuring out which is which on Discogs.

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Thanks for this amazing encyclopedic background of Wheels of Fire.  Since I moved into collecting tapes (15ips 2 track), I have been expanding my exposure to rock music, particularly from the analogue era.  Recently I bought a 1/2" tape dub of Wheels of Fire from a recording engineer who has a safety master of the album.  I don't have any vinyl or digital version of the album.  If Josh is interested, I can send him a digital rip I did at 192/24 using my Pacific Microsonics Model Two.  I have sent Chris a few of those of other tapes I have.   DM me if you are interested.    Larry

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45 minutes ago, astrotoy said:

Thanks for this amazing encyclopedic background of Wheels of Fire.  Since I moved into collecting tapes (15ips 2 track), I have been expanding my exposure to rock music, particularly from the analogue era.  Recently I bought a 1/2" tape dub of Wheels of Fire from a recording engineer who has a safety master of the album.  I don't have any vinyl or digital version of the album.  If Josh is interested, I can send him a digital rip I did at 192/24 using my Pacific Microsonics Model Two.  I have sent Chris a few of those of other tapes I have.   DM me if you are interested.    Larry

 

Yes, I would love that!

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1 hour ago, firedog said:

Can you give the catalog numbers of the Drake releases? I'm having trouble figuring out which is which on Discogs.

 

The frustrating thing is they're both sold under multiple catalog numbers.

 

For Goodbye, though, it's easy to tell by looking at the photo of the rear cover on Discogs for Drake's name:

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/2237122-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/13488446-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/10118454-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/2629324-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/3081409-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/7472262-Cream-Goodbye

 

There are more, but those seem to be the pressings with the most copies for sale.

 

Wheels of Fire is harder, since there's no exterior mastering credit. I can confirm that this one is the Drake:

https://www.discogs.com/release/5561676-Cream-Wheels-Of-Fire

 

I have a few more copies on their way to try to confirm whether they're also the Drake mastering.

 

But for pressings that someone uploaded the inner booklet, here's what to look for:

 

R-5561676-1625015562-6885.jpg

 

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16 hours ago, Josh Mound said:

 

The frustrating thing is they're both sold under multiple catalog numbers.

 

For Goodbye, though, it's easy to tell by looking at the photo of the rear cover on Discogs for Drake's name:

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/2237122-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/13488446-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/10118454-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/2629324-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/3081409-Cream-Goodbye

https://www.discogs.com/release/7472262-Cream-Goodbye

 

There are more, but those seem to be the pressings with the most copies for sale.

 

Wheels of Fire is harder, since there's no exterior mastering credit. I can confirm that this one is the Drake:

https://www.discogs.com/release/5561676-Cream-Wheels-Of-Fire

 

I have a few more copies on their way to try to confirm whether they're also the Drake mastering.

 

But for pressings that someone uploaded the inner booklet, here's what to look for:

 

 

 

Thanks. Great article. It inspired me to make another small contribution.

Is anyone else having trouble logging in to discogs? I keep getting "too many redirects" error and can't login and order a CD. I've done all the things they recommend (clearing cookies, cache, etc) and still can't login. I also wrote discogs and asked for them to check that the error isn't on their side. 

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Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

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Well, I actually got an answer from Discogs support. They said it's a "known issue" they have and they are working on it. 

Doesn't seem like it should be something that takes days to fix. 

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protectors +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Protection>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three BXT (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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Discogs finally fixed the site. I was able to place an order.

Main listening (small home office):

Main setup: Surge protectors +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Protection>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three BXT (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three BXT

Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup.
Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. 

All absolute statements about audio are false :)

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5 hours ago, TubeLover said:

Josh, once again, an absolutely superb job on this. I think you should be considering publishing the collection of these in book form. Just brilliant work. You may have, with this article, set an even elevated standard surpassing your earlier efforts.  

 

 

JC

 

Thanks, JC. I'd love to compile revised versions of some of my TBVOs into a book someday. In the shorter term, I'd like to write a 33 1/3 book on either Plastic Ono Band or Two Against Nature. Feel free to start a petition to Bloomsbury! Haha.

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3 hours ago, Josh Mound said:

 

Thanks, JC. I'd love to compile revised versions of some of my TBVOs into a book someday. In the shorter term, I'd like to write a 33 1/3 book on either Plastic Ono Band or Two Against Nature. Feel free to start a petition to Bloomsbury! Haha.

I'm still holding out hope that you will make Dire Straits "Brothers In Arms" the subject of one of your outstanding efforts before too long!

 

JC

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On 10/17/2023 at 11:26 PM, TubeLover said:

I'm still holding out hope that you will make Dire Straits "Brothers In Arms" the subject of one of your outstanding efforts before too long!

 

JC


That’s definitely on my list. I’ve already started buying rare versions. It’ll be a tough one, but I think I’m going to focus on masterings with the full-length versions of the songs, which will narrow things down a little. 

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