bbosler Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 3 hours ago, PeterG said: Are you concerned that the subwoofer impact will not be sufficient? 3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Wait till you see the measurements. I think your concerns will be alleviated :~) Agree with Chris. In fact I don't think any sub is really needed in this situation given the -3dB point on the main speakers is 19 Hz and for the surrounds it is 32 Hz. Any really low frequency information can be directed to the main channels, but there won't be much .. most music won't have any. Movies are a different matter. Dinosaur stomps, earthquakes, and depth charge explosions can benefit from a bunch of subs, but this isn't that kind of system....... yet 🙄 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 Here's some good information on LFE for Atmos music. Not to be too remedial, but LFE is low frequency effects not necessarily the bass that's below what the main channels can play. It's a distinct channel for effects. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
bbosler Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Not to be too remedial, but LFE is low frequency effects not necessarily the bass that's below what the main channels can play. It's a distinct channel for effects. right, but it doesn't have to be a sent to a dedicated LFE speaker (sub), it can be directed to any speaker(s) that can reproduce it. It is typically sent to a subwoofer along with other low frequency information crossed over from speakers that have limited low frequency extension, but since your main speakers can play as low as your sub you could direct any LFE to them. Your system is a prime example of one that doesn't need a sub. see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 1 minute ago, bbosler said: since your main speakers can play as low as your sub Or so it seems :~) Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 LFE us usually +10 dB as well. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
bbosler Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: 18 minutes ago, bbosler said: since your main speakers can play as low as your sub Or so it seems :~) unless Wilson is lying they can actually go lower. What Wilson doesn't say is how loud they can get (maximum sound pressure level ) ... I suspect the sub will outdo them there. 18 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: LFE us usually +10 dB as well. which goes right back to the point about how loud they can play.. I suspect the sub has more headroom down there, but since Wilson doesn't publish SPL I'm guessing... so I'll drop it, I don't want to get this hung up on subwoofer discussions see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, bbosler said: unless Wilson is lying they can actually go lower. What Wilson doesn't say is how loud they can get (maximum sound pressure level ) ... I suspect the sub will outdo them there. which goes right back to the point about how loud they can play.. I suspect the sub has more headroom down there, but since Wilson doesn't publish SPL I'm guessing... so I'll drop it, I don't want to get this hung up on subwoofer discussions I’d say it’s a matter of very conservative rating. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
PeterG Posted June 23, 2022 Share Posted June 23, 2022 10 hours ago, bbosler said: Agree with Chris. In fact I don't think any sub is really needed in this situation given the -3dB point on the main speakers is 19 Hz and for the surrounds it is 32 Hz. Any really low frequency information can be directed to the main channels, but there won't be much .. most music won't have any. Movies are a different matter. Dinosaur stomps, earthquakes, and depth charge explosions can benefit from a bunch of subs, but this isn't that kind of system....... yet 🙄 Actually, from your message, I think you agree with me on the Loke, and Chris is maintaining that we are both incorrect... I take Chris's response to be that his measurements will show that the Loke has a meaningful impact on the sound beyond what the Alexias can deliver, and his 7.1.4 is significantly better than his 7.0.4 would be. On the question you raise about "need"--we are orders of magnitude beyond "need" here, we are looking at transcendent. I did not mean to suggest that 7.0.4 would be an appropriate choice. I'm just surprised that the Loke is enough in this context. I look forward to more! Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 23, 2022 Author Share Posted June 23, 2022 50 minutes ago, PeterG said: Actually, from your message, I think you agree with me on the Loke, and Chris is maintaining that we are both incorrect... I take Chris's response to be that his measurements will show that the Loke has a meaningful impact on the sound beyond what the Alexias can deliver, and his 7.1.4 is significantly better than his 7.0.4 would be. On the question you raise about "need"--we are orders of magnitude beyond "need" here, we are looking at transcendent. I did not mean to suggest that 7.0.4 would be an appropriate choice. I'm just surprised that the Loke is enough in this context. I look forward to more! Hi Peter, I love your enthusiasm! Yes, please wait for all the details. I hate to trickle out the information, but it takes time to write everything the way I want. Thanks for your patience. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted June 27, 2022 Author Share Posted June 27, 2022 I went to see the new Top Gun movie last night. I specifically selected an Atmos capable theater. Not sure if it was the movie or what, but I'm happy with my decision to only have audio in my room 😁 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
PeterG Posted June 27, 2022 Share Posted June 27, 2022 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I went to see the new Top Gun movie last night. I specifically selected an Atmos capable theater. Not sure if it was the movie or what, but I'm happy with my decision to only have audio in my room 😁 It's a funny thing--like you, I love my two channel system for music, but have virtually no interest in my pretty good 3.0 system on my TV (I can't even be bothered to plug in a sub, haha). One exception is concert films. I wonder about 7.1.4 for The Last Waltz? Stop Making Sense? Summer of Soul? Of course so many musical documentaries slice and dice the songs, I might just end up in tears of frustration... The Computer Audiophile 1 Link to comment
bobfa Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Chris, Did your seating position change in the room when you setup ATMOS? bob My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, bobfa said: Chris, Did your seating position change in the room when you setup ATMOS? bob No. Atmos is based on the seating position. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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