Scoggins reinstated?

[Samuel T Cogley]

This is big news.  Why keep it on the down-low @The Computer Audiophile ?

 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Lee and I had a phone conversation in which he asked to be reinstated. Based on this conversation I re-enabled his account. Not really big news in my book. 

[Samuel T Cogley]

How does one go about getting your phone number?  I think the MQA thread is going to be locked or deleted soon...

[The Computer Audiophile]

12 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

How does one go about getting your phone number?  I think the MQA thread is going to be locked or deleted soon...

Emailing me. 

[Racerxnet]

He is on WBF backpedaling about MQA. He's still blowing it out all 4 cheeks.... 😁

 

https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/state-of-the-industry-roy-gregory-editorial.34618/

[JoeWhip]

I do not expect Lee will ever back down.

[NOMBEDES]

Never heard of him.   MQA is just another LOGO on the box.  Half of the stuff the marketing division forces on the engineers is just extra circuits which may or may not add to your audio enjoyment.  If you like it fine.  If you don't fine.   Nobody should care what their audio neighbors like or don't like.

[Lee Scoggins]

3 hours ago, JoeWhip said:

I do not expect Lee will ever back down.

 

“You can back me up to the gates of Hell…”

 

😉

[kumakuma]

6 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

“You can back me up to the gates of Hell…”

 

😉

 

As my wife has often reminded me, a stubborn refusal to change one's mind isn't a positive character trait...

[JoeWhip]

Lee, MQA is not the hill I would die on but that is your prerogative.

[firedog]

Lee, I'd respectfully suggest you avoid MQA discussion here. Your position on it and near schill posts about it in the past aren't predictive of a good outcome here - and you got yourself banned as a result before.

Hopefully you here because you have something to contribute in other areas of audio, and not to engage in some pointless argument about MQA.

[sphinxsix]

15 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

How does one go about getting your phone number? 

 

I saw it on the darknet, the price was $50k. The only more expensive thing I saw there were American nuclear codes. 

 

Welcome back, Lee, I have no idea who you are but I love the idea someone supporting More Questionable Audio here.

 

Ps. Good luck!

 

[DuckToller]

 

2 hours ago, sphinxsix said:

 

Welcome back, Lee, I have no idea who you are but I love the idea someone supporting More Questionable Audio here.

 

Ps. Good luck!

 

 

IIRC, he was perceptually perceived as an autobot in the MQA thread, who turned out to career streamlining into the media outlets that now owns Stereophile and others.

Always wondered if he would have gotten there in case

he didn't hear the advantage of perceptual lossless codecs?

[botrytis]

11 minutes ago, DuckToller said:

 

 

IIRC, he was a perceptually perceived as an autobot in the MQA thread, who turned out to career streamlining into the media outlets that now owns Stereophile and others.

Always wondered if he would have gotten there in case

he didn't hear the advantage of perceptual LOSSY codecs?

 

Fixed it for ya...

[sphinxsix]

2 hours ago, DuckToller said:

 

 

IIRC, he was perceptually perceived as an autobot in the MQA thread, who turned out to career streamlining into the media outlets that now owns Stereophile and others.

Always wondered if he would have gotten there in case

he didn't hear the advantage of perceptual lossless codecs?

 

Not the only suspected guy on this forum, think I should maybe get some popcorn..

 

[sphinxsix]

20 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

  I think the MQA thread is going to be locked or deleted soon...

 

I think that would be a little too much for some. Maybe even for a meaningful number of some.

 

[Lee Scoggins]

10 hours ago, firedog said:

Lee, I'd respectfully suggest you avoid MQA discussion here. Your position on it and near schill posts about it in the past aren't predictive of a good outcome here - and you got yourself banned as a result before.

Hopefully you here because you have something to contribute in other areas of audio, and not to engage in some pointless argument about MQA.

 

firedog,

 

It's pretty sad that you want me censored on the MQA thread simply because we have different opinions.  A quick look at @The Computer Audiophile twitter shows that he is a strong proponent of free speech.

 

Also, it is a serious charge to call me a "shill".  You should provide evidence of that before making such an accusation.

[Summit]

11 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

firedog,

 

It's pretty sad that you want me censored on the MQA thread simply because we have different opinions.  A quick look at @The Computer Audiophile twitter shows that he is a strong proponent of free speech.

 

Also, it is a serious charge to call me a "shill".  You should provide evidence of that before making such an accusation.

 

Yes some anti-MQA people have gone way to far.

[Samuel T Cogley]

15 minutes ago, Summit said:

 

Yes some anti-MQA people have gone way to far.

 

...and that now infamous video from RMAF a few years back puts Scoggins and the actual  MQA executives firmly in that group.

[botrytis]

25 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

...and that now infamous video from RMAF a few years back puts Scoggins and the actual  MQA executives firmly in that group.

 

 

Just for posterity - Chris was 'Minnesotan nice' here which I would not have been. I have talked at National Science meetings and have asked security to remove people who were not civil in their demeanor. Chris deserves applause for his cool demeanor.

 

The Onus is all on the pro-mQa for being so rude and crass.

[sphinxsix]

2 hours ago, Summit said:

 

Yes some anti-MQA people have gone way to far.

 

Well.. let's think if we could use the expression 'have gone too far' in regard to the MQA clan and all the lies they tried to feed the consumers with.. Hmmm...(?)

 

Like I already said long ago according to my knowledge you just can't say anything about your product in your propaganda... I mean marketing campaign. You can not sell a 100bhp car and claim that it is a 200bhp car.. I'm pretty sure a team of good lawyers could approach the whole thing and quite easily succeed. Unfortunately existing consumer and market controlling organisations are much more focused on hot dogs or washing powders hence people like Bob, Lee and others feel they can try to bullshit everybody.. Fortunately they have proved to be wrong.

 

[Lee Scoggins]

2 hours ago, botrytis said:

 

 

Just for posterity - Chris was 'Minnesotan nice' here which I would not have been. I have talked at National Science meetings and have asked security to remove people who were not civil in their demeanor. Chris deserves applause for his cool demeanor.

 

The Onus is all on the pro-mQa for being so rude and crass.

 

I think this was a fairly civil discussion overall.  My own point was made and Chris agreed with me.  He admits "I have not seen any DRM."

 

Myself, Mike Jbara, and Ken Forsythe all look good here.  I think Derek was overboard with the pounding on the table.  He could have done better.

 

Chris did a good job laying out the issues here.  I did find his presentation slanted against MQA but he was very fair in his comments for the most part.  

[Lee Scoggins]

While Chris and I disagree on this topic obviously, I believe he genuinely cares about consumer access to music.  I don't believe there is any ill will there with Chris..and for many of you no ill will as well.

 

My hope is that folks here that are anti-MQA understand there is no ill will from me as well.  My job is to use my critical listening skills to form an unbiased opinion on MQA and I have.

 

Ultimately it is a matter of consumer choice.  If you like MQA then Tidal Masters is your friend.  If you don't, then you can sign up for Qobuz which I also find to be excellent.  I subscriber to both Qobuz and Tidal.

 

Both David Solomon at Qobuz and Ken Forsythe at MQA are good friends of mine.

[ASRMichael]

58 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

I think this was a fairly civil discussion overall.  My own point was made and Chris agreed with me.  He admits "I have not seen any DRM."

 

Myself, Mike Jbara, and Ken Forsythe all look good here.  I think Derek was overboard with the pounding on the table.  He could have done better.

 

Chris did a good job laying out the issues here.  I did find his presentation slanted against MQA but he was very fair in his comments for the most part.  

 

58 minutes ago, Lee Scoggins said:

 

I think this was a fairly civil discussion overall.  My own point was made and Chris agreed with me.  He admits "I have not seen any DRM."

 

Myself, Mike Jbara, and Ken Forsythe all look good here.  I think Derek was overboard with the pounding on the table.  He could have done better.

 

Chris did a good job laying out the issues here.  I did find his presentation slanted against MQA but he was very fair in his comments for the most part.  

First time seeing this, thanks for the post. 
 
After watching Michael Framer YouTube video where he was asked to represent Quincy Jones v Michael Jackson Estate. We learned lots of MJ reissues over the years sounded nothing like the original Studio works. effectively been remastered. Exocer & I last night we’re trying to find 1st release editions of MJ albums on CD, which was hard to do. Why am I posted this? All the record labels have been reissuing/remastering for years, altering the studio sound. MQA are just one of many that change the sound. 
 

Slightly off topic but worth a mention. 

[botrytis]

1 hour ago, Lee Scoggins said:

While Chris and I disagree on this topic obviously, I believe he genuinely cares about consumer access to music.  I don't believe there is any ill will there with Chris..and for many of you no ill will as well.

 

My hope is that folks here that are anti-MQA understand there is no ill will from me as well.  My job is to use my critical listening skills to form an unbiased opinion on MQA and I have.

 

Ultimately it is a matter of consumer choice.  If you like MQA then Tidal Masters is your friend.  If you don't, then you can sign up for Qobuz which I also find to be excellent.  I subscriber to both Qobuz and Tidal.

 

Both David Solomon at Qobuz and Ken Forsythe at MQA are good friends of mine.

 

Bias is in the ear of the beholder. As a trained scientist and working in science for 38 years, BIAS is all too easy to get inserted in research, etc. We BIAS things all the time, it is how our brain works. Removing BIAS is hard but doable.

 

Problem is Lee, mQa is NOW a choice since people (like @The Computer Audiophile,  @Archimago, etc.) have spoken up and shown for what it does and how. Also based on my reading of the patent for mQa, a DRM system, which is not currently set to on, but all it takes one record company to start that way.