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5 hours ago, firedog said:

Schiit doesn't seem interested in doing any software support

Well, isn’t that limited to extremely few automatic? updates from Miska and/or Roon ? Let me hope for nice an answer (explanation)  from Schiit about this.

 

I’m not asking for anything equal to Bluesound, with direct support to several (almost all) streaming services.  

 

I left Ravenna out in my question to Schiit as I think at present time, the interest is limited and I would assume it involves a lot more work to implement, and hence also additional cost added to the final product.

 

 

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4 hours ago, feelingears said:

Jason Stoddard writes extensively about their business model and practices and product design choices,

I’ve been doing some reading. Thanks a lot. There are some stuff in there that’s really interesting to read, and one day, I just have to compare one of those flavors against my Theta DAC. The story of flavors being the last post. I may even get a tip on what flavor to try first 😀

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@R1200CL You're welcome! It's a fun read and his snarkiness suits the subject, for better or worse!

 

Well, off to pack up my Yggy for the journey back to the mothership for LiM...

 

 

 

Sum>Frankenstein: Schiit Yggdrasil A2+Shunyata Venom/PS Audio P3 Regenerator+AVOptions Tibia, W4S Remedy/Uptone LPS-1.2, Linn LP12/Hercules II/Ittok/Denon DL-103R, Naim 72/HiCap/250 DR, Tellurium Black II, Monitor Audio Silver 500, Epos, Uptone Audio ISO & EtherREGENs, Witch Hat/Audience/Silnote/ZenWave/Mapleshade/Shunyata/Transparent Audio cables/cords, and nice room w/treatment.

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On 9/12/2021 at 4:07 AM, The Computer Audiophile said:


Very different animals :~)

 

How so?

 

I know that following reviews you are often asked to compare DACs that you own with those that you review but I have never seen a reply. What DAC do you listen to at home? Berkeley? Yggy? And how would you compare them to something like the Terminator which you have praised?

 

Subjective reviews are good but worth much more when given context relative to other equipment. It helps those of us groping in the dark when we no longer have shops to audition equipment in. This week I actually resorted to buying two moderately expensive DACs to compare to the one I bought recently just so I could find out for sure which would best fit my system. I will only keep one but just figure the inevitable $ loss in reselling them will be worth it because it is hard to find good comparative review much less one surrounded with equipment similar to my own.

 

Please consider answering some of the questions regarding how you would rank or compare some of the DACs that you own(ed) or have reviewed.

 

Thanks!


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3 minutes ago, mourip said:

This week I actually resorted to buying two moderately expensive DACs to compare to the one I bought recently just so I could find out for sure which would best fit my system.

 

3 minutes ago, mourip said:

it is hard to find good comparative review much less one surrounded with equipment similar to my own.

 

I certainly hear you, but I will not be able to get even close to satisfying your wishes. Our systems are very different, our rooms are very different, and our ears are very different. If you are interested in a more general comparison, that's something I can do. But, seeking very specific comparisons, is a tough road.

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16 hours ago, jbparrish said:

Does HQPlayer offer any benefit with this DAC, ie 16/44 upscaled to 24/196?

Impossible to answer for you. It definitely could, as it is about the best upsampler there is. 

Have you tried HQP upsampling PCM with another DAC? If you have and liked the result, you'd probably also like it with the Yggy.

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Secondary Listening: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Matrix Element i Streamer/DAC (XLR)+Schiit Freya>Kii Three .

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16 hours ago, jbparrish said:

Does HQPlayer offer any benefit with this DAC, ie 16/44 upscaled to 24/196?

I would agree agree with @firedog that is at least possible. I have never used an Yggy, but I have used HQPlayer with a Devialet which is also limited to 24/192 and the results are definitely superior say to Roon, even compared with Roon upsampling to 24/192.

 

One other point, there is a free trial available for HQPlayer,, the trial version is fully functioning it just stops playing music after 30 minutes and you need to re start the software.

 

(and entering full pedant mode for a moment, it is 24/192, not 24/196. 196 would be bad)

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1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

 

I certainly hear you, but I will not be able to get even close to satisfying your wishes. Our systems are very different, our rooms are very different, and our ears are very different. If you are interested in a more general comparison, that's something I can do. But, seeking very specific comparisons, is a tough road.

 

I was just asking for your own subjective comparisons based upon your own experience. We all assume that it will be in the context of your own equipment, in your own listening space, and with your own ears. We understand that all reviewers are giving impressions that are relative. We trust your relative objectivity and attention to detail however.


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How about we “agree” upon the Yggdrasil’s is among top 3 or 5 (PCM) DAC’s ever built. 
 

Now, name me the others 😀

 

Not many DAC’s left with PCM only….

 

It’s interesting reading Schiit blog about DSD. I think their point of views was made before HQplayer got popular. But maybe still valid. Not that we shall discuss PCM vs DSD in this tread. 
 

But if a certain DAC should be added to the top 3 or 5 list ever built, and it happen to also do DSD, those capabilities won’t count in this particular list.
 

We can do another tread where best DAC ever including DSD. 
 

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37 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

How about we “agree” upon the Yggdrasil’s is among top 3 or 5 (PCM) DAC’s ever built. 
 

Now, name me the others 😀

 

Not many DAC’s left with PCM only….

 

It’s interesting reading Schiit blog about DSD. I think their point of views was made before HQplayer got popular. But maybe still valid. Not that we shall discuss PCM vs DSD in this tread. 
 

But if a certain DAC should be added to the top 3 or 5 list ever built, and it happen to also do DSD, those capabilities won’t count in this particular list.
 

We can do another tread where best DAC ever including DSD. 
 

I guess. DSD could also just as easily go extinct in 5-10 years unless the very niche audience of audiophiles go out in droves to purchase it. Let's be real, most producers/publishers aren't even putting out lossless download options, let alone high-res or DSD/SACD. 

 

Now throw in the upcoming generations adoption of streaming... I'm glad Schiit focused all of their attention on PCM. I can just as easily convert DSD to PCM, and there's no audible loss to my ears.

 

I know the designer of Chord DACs mentioned you should typically just feed the native file and then let the DAC do its thing rather than upscaling/downscaling via software.

 

Sorry, my DSD tangent is over. :)

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34 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

How about we “agree” upon the Yggdrasil’s is among top 3 or 5 (PCM) DAC’s ever built. 
 

Now, name me the others 😀

 

 

So back to the idea of flavors...I've posted elsewhere here that I've had the pleasure (without all the financial pain, thanks to a friend) of auditioning a Denafrips Pontus II, Chord Qutest, Wavelength "The Brick" N2, and a few other older DACs in my own system.

 

While I do hear that relative to one another there are differences, it's not so simple as better or best. To my ears, I'd say there is not even a linear scale or spectrum of qualities beyond some of the basic ones.

 

I don't want to write a review, so I'll just say Pontus does some remarkable things but apparently its passive output stage means you need to match it with the right preamp, as well as musical taste. The Qutest is the "robot" of the bunch and I can't quite explain how it presents tones vs the others though I've tried with my friend. And Yggy is not exactly in between those two, but sort of. And I'm talking about Yggy via SPDIF coax. Now that I'm running Yggy via AES using the balanced outs, well, that's yet another story.

 

In this way, "flavors" make a lot more sense (and I try hard to keep $ value out of the equation but of course that's difficult/impossible to do).

 

 

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On 9/12/2021 at 6:07 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:


Very different animals :~)

would you care to elaborate?

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When I started to read this article,  my guess was ‘less is more’ would be the best sounding dac. I own a Mohican CD player which only targets 16/44.1 digital format. MY experience with several expensive dacs with  several digital formats only degraded the sound compared to the pure path Mohican. 

 

 THANKS TO CA.. hopefully we will see more digital components with ‘less is more’ DESIGNS in the future. 

 

GREAT READ!!

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4 hours ago, matthias said:

 

Which one do you prefer?

Thanks

 

Matt

Still unsure. I really like both, in different ways. The staging hasn't change. Let me give it several weeks and then I'll switch back to OG. One summary mentioned the top end being more muted on LIM, this is true in my system. This is not necessarily a bad thing for me, but a change nonetheless. Will report back with a consensus at some point in the next few weeks. The LIM is noticeably smoother but not TOO smooth.

 

Thanks,

-Rob

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On 9/14/2021 at 6:42 PM, jbparrish said:

Does HQPlayer offer any benefit with this DAC, ie 16/44 upscaled to 24/196?

 

Having a well implemented Sabre dac and the Yggy at the same time.  IMO, no.  I never felt the Yggy did as good a job with my hi-res content as the Sabre.  HQPlayer might be a nice option to perform the 24 -> 16  or 24 -> 20 dither for the Yggy.

 

That said, the Yggy with redbook was always better, IMO.

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