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I am looking forward to getting my ears on a LIM to test it against the OG in my system in my room. Plenty of variables here given the divergent opinions of the test subjects. Not a big fan of those Maggie’s but I have enjoyed the Salk speakers that I have heard. I have to wonder if the customized DSP for the very different DAC chips has had an effect on the sound. Each will have a different megaburrito filter I would assume and that could be in play here. I will say this, I won’t “upgrade” my OG until I hear the LIM. Great article CC and what a great opportunity even if you had to get on a plane.

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22 minutes ago, Foggie said:

Most important question - which one to chose, silver or black color?

Schiit seems to be slowly abandoning the near "policy" of not offering black. 

Definitely a plus for their marketing. 

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6 minutes ago, hopkins said:

Why are they selling several models if most agree that the cheaper one is better?

 

It's too bad that blind tests between DACs are not more common. 

 

Because options are good. Once more than a handful of opinions come out, who knows, maybe more people will love More is Less or OG. Either way, giving people the option is great. 

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31 minutes ago, perolator said:

Thank you for the detailed review, Chris. I also read Audiohead’s article.

 

I am going to buy a Yggy soon (never heard one). After reading CA/AS for years I have Chris’ opinion in a high regard. I now know the LIM is the one I’ll get because I care for SQ above everything else. 

 

May I strongly suggest AES input and balanced outputs? After discarding USB and using S/PDIF coax happily for years, I now find AES/balanced out steps up the Yggy game substantially. In my case, my gear has single-ended RCA input only, so the new Schiit Lokius EQ enabled me to do the balanced to SE conversion sans transformers that color the sound (detrimentally, in my experience). 

 

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25 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Either way, giving people the option is great. 

 

Options are great as long as more expensive equates greater value. Here they are saying: we provide different DACs at different price points but we are not going to tell you which is better. That's just stupid... IMO. 

 

That being said, the review is interesting, but I would be very confused as a prospective Schitt customer. 

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Options are great as long as more expensive equates greater value. Here they are saying: we provide different DACs at different price points but we are not going to tell you which is better. That's just stupid... IMO. 

 

 

Better is a subjective term. You seem to be advocating for the old school HiFi approach discussed in Jason's post about the new Yggys. 

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2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

 

Better is a subjective term. You seem to be advocating for the old school HiFi approach discussed in Jason's post about the new Yggys. 

 

if a DAC manufacturer cannot clearly explain what the choice is in other terms than "specs" and "measurements" that really makes no sense to me. 

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4 hours ago, R1200CL said:

Did you read the other reviews ?

Yes--I saw that Chris's view was not unanimous.   It would be a bummer to drop $450 plus shipping and time, and end up slightly less happy.  But remember that it is easy for us to calibrate Chris's writing and taste because we have a huge data set.  Chris's original review on the Yggy (best DAC unless you can spend 10X) was the driver in my buying Yggy Gen 1, and I was later psyched to upgrade to Gen 2.  I do not know the other listeners.

 

Bigger issue for me--I have had it on my to-do list to audition a couple of the newer much more expensive DACs.  I expect to do that in October.  If they leave me cold, I will think about LiM then

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4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Then I guess it makes no sense to you. 

 

Imagine you had the choice of buying two different washing machines from a manufacturer, at different price points, and the only differences provided were "technical" without explaining in any way how they translate in terms of performance or functionality? That makes no sense. 

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8 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

If vanilla beans cost more than cocoa, then vanilla will be more expensive than chocolate, all other things being equal. 

 

But all other things are never equal. Your statement summarises the Supply factor correctly. The Demand factor is just as, if not more important in determining price.

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2 minutes ago, hopkins said:

 

Imagine you had the choice of buying two different washing machines from a manufacturer, at different price points, and the only differences provided were "technical" without explaining in any way how they translate in terms of performance or functionality? That makes no sense. 

Washing machine is not a good example (But BTW, how do you measure the cleanliness of clothes?)

 

Much better example would be a car.  If you were choosing between Toyota and Honda, or BMW and Mercedes, or Porsche and Jaguar, would you do it on specs or on a test drive?

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2 minutes ago, Iving said:

 

But all other things are never equal. Your statement summarises the Supply factor correctly. The Demand factor is just as, if not more important in determining price.

 

We have 2 DACs designed and manufactured by the same company. Given how they were designed together, I think the vanilla and chocolate analogies are pretty accurate. 

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31 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

We have 2 DACs designed and manufactured by the same company. Given how they were designed together, I think the vanilla and chocolate analogies are pretty accurate. 

 

Both vanilla and chocolate are irrelevant unless there is Demand. If you mean that the Prices of the respective models are determined by what it costs to make them, then the Manufacturer is perfectly entitled to reflect those costs in asking Price. But it is Demand that will determine Sales regardless of the price of vanilla and cocoa. Here we have an anomaly in which chocolate outperforms vanilla (by your account and you don't seem alone). Demand will determine Sales in a curious way. Chocolate will sell like crazy because (fuelled by favourable reviews) it will be in high Demand and it is cheap to make and, so, the price can be kept "unshocking". Vanilla will burn out quickly (expensive to make - higher Price - no or little Demand).

 

The cynic might think that More is Less was never intended to sell and Schiit have only made 2 or 3 units knowing this in advance. Do they have some clever marketing girls and guys? In contrast they have a warehouse of Less is More ready to ship out?

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13 minutes ago, PeterG said:

Washing machine is not a good example (But BTW, how do you measure the cleanliness of clothes?)

 

Much better example would be a car.  If you were choosing between Toyota and Honda, or BMW and Mercedes, or Porsche and Jaguar, would you do it on specs or on a test drive?

 

I don't think you understand my point, and your example is not relevant here. 

 

I find Schitt's approach suspect, and a bit of a scam, to be honest. I expect a DAC manufacturer committing to offering the best product at a given price point. But whatever. 

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3 minutes ago, Iving said:

 

Both vanilla and chocolate are irrelevant unless there is Demand. If you mean that the Prices of the respective models are determined by what it costs to make them, then the Manufacturer is perfectly entitled to reflect those costs in asking Price. But it is Demand that will determine Sales regardless of the price of vanilla and chocolate. Here we have an anomaly in which chocolate outperforms vanilla (by your account and you don't seem alone). Demand will determine Sales in a curious way. Chocolate will sell like crazy because (fuelled by favourable reviews) it will be in high Demand and it is cheap to make and, so, the price can be kept "unshocking". Vanilla will burn out quickly (expensive to make - higher Price - no or little Demand).

 

The cynic might think that More is Less was never intended to sell and Schiit have only made 2 or 3 units knowing this in advance. Do they have some clever marketing girls and guys? In contrast they have a warehouse of Less is More ready to ship out?

 

I'll just have to pass on this one. 

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