Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 If two singers are trying to impersonate Billie, then we can probably start judging which one did it closer to the original. All other original art / performances stand on their own. A cover of a song is an original performance and we can like it or not, but there’s no right or wrong way to do it. jiminlogansquare, PeterG, botrytis and 1 other 4 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
PeterG Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 3 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: But, that's because it's only my opinion. I know someone who would vehemently disagree with me and think Nickelback is far superior. That was my point. I understand that's your point, but I disagree. Mainly because I don't think you're the only one with your opinion, and also that some opinions are worth more than others. Can we agree that The Beatles and Dylan wrote better songs than just about anybody else? That Miles and Louis were among the very best horn players? That Springsteen is transcendent live? Just about anyone who understands and appreciates modern music would acknowledge these, regardless of their personal taste. Now we just need a few minutes to rank the next 500 or so... Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, PeterG said: Can we agree that The Beatles and Dylan wrote better songs than just about anybody else? That Miles and Louis were among the very best horn players? That Springsteen is transcendent live? Just about anyone who understands and appreciates modern music would acknowledge these, regardless of their personal taste. I’m being 100% serious when I say that I disagree. Not being argumentative or anything, just that it’s all subjective. Ask the new leaders of Afghanistan what they think about the aforementioned artists. The Beatles and Dylan wrote songs that many people like. That’s it. They can’t be better because not everyone was playing the same part / role. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 18 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: If two singers are trying to impersonate Billie, then we can probably start judging which one did it closer to the original. All other original art / performances stand on their own. A cover of a song is an original performance and we can like it or not, but there’s no right or wrong way to do it. Jeff Buckleys cover of Leonard Cohens Hallelujah is a great example of that. The Computer Audiophile and Jud 1 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
PeterG Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I’m being 100% serious when I say that I disagree. Not being argumentative or anything, just that it’s all subjective. Ask the new leaders of Afghanistan what they think about the aforementioned artists. The Beatles and Dylan wrote songs that many people like. That’s it. They can’t be better because not everyone was playing the same part / role. You're killin' me... Taking the easy one first--I did include a caveat on understanding and appreciating modern music. So the Taliban (and Nickelback fans, haha) don't count. One way to think about The Beatles, Dylan, Miles, Picasso, Hemingway...is that they created things that touched millions of people in a profound way over many decades; and can also be understood in intellectual, analytical, and historical ways that are deep. This is very different than selling a lot of records or concert tickets Bill Brown 1 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, PeterG said: I understand that's your point, but I disagree. Mainly because I don't think you're the only one with your opinion, and also that some opinions are worth more than others. Everyone will have different opinions on the worthiness of an opinion as well... where do you draw the line? regarding art/music it is purely subjective. No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Jeff Buckleys cover of Leonard Cohens Hallelujah is a great example of that. Here's another example of how to transform the familiar into something completely new and original. Anyone who can't see the artistry in this is dead to me... 👺 The Computer Audiophile and PeterG 1 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, PeterG said: You're killin' me... Taking the easy one first--I did include a caveat on understanding and appreciating modern music. So the Taliban (and Nickelback fans, haha) don't count. One way to think about The Beatles, Dylan, Miles, Picasso, Hemingway...is that they created things that touched millions of people in a profound way over many decades; and can also be understood in intellectual, analytical, and historical ways that are deep. This is very different than selling a lot of records or concert tickets Oh no, not trying to kill ya :~) I love the intellectual conversation. For every artist like the ones you mention, there are probably several who could’ve touched people equally or even more. Those ones just happened to gain popularity. If the Beatles were 500 lbs. obese men from Minnesota, do you think they would’ve touched as many people? I agree those artists impacted many people, but that’s what they did. Their art wasn’t better or worse than other art. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Jeff Buckleys cover of Leonard Cohens Hallelujah is a great example of that. Jud 1 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 I know which version I like, but I have friends who’d go for this one every time. beetlemania, AudioDoctor and Josh Mound 1 1 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, kumakuma said: Here's another example of how to transform the familiar into something completely new and original. Anyone who can't see the artistry in this is dead to me... 👺 She also ruined, uhm, I meant covered, The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face and I don't like it at all despite thinking it had great potential. No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Just now, The Computer Audiophile said: I know which version I like, but I have friends who’d go for this one every time. Definitely my favorite cover of all time. No electron left behind. Link to comment
PeterG Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Oh no, not trying to kill ya :~) I love the intellectual conversation. For every artist like the ones you mention, there are probably several who could’ve touched people equally or even more. Those ones just happened to gain popularity. If the Beatles were 500 lbs. obese men from Minnesota, do you think they would’ve touched as many people? I agree those artists impacted many people, but that’s what they did. Their art wasn’t better or worse than other art. I enjoy it too. Mavis Staples is an obese woman from Chicago--she so good she makes me cry. The role of art is to touch people and bring them deeper understanding and/or joy. It is the ability to impact a thoughtful person that makes it great art. Don't people vary in their ability to do this? Link to comment
kumakuma Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: She also ruined, uhm, I meant covered, The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face and I don't like it at all despite thinking it had great potential. Just heard for the first time. Certainly a different take on the song. Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, PeterG said: The role of art is to touch people and bring them deeper understanding and/or joy. It is the ability to impact a thoughtful person that makes it great art. Don't people vary in their ability to do this? The video of Bill Shatner singing is certainly proof of this... AudioDoctor and The Computer Audiophile 2 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, PeterG said: I enjoy it too. Mavis Staples is an obese woman from Chicago--she so good she makes me cry. The role of art is to touch people and bring them deeper understanding and/or joy. It is the ability to impact a thoughtful person that makes it great art. Don't people vary in their ability to do this? Mavis is a dang legend that I can’t live without. Love her. There is no single role for art. I know the huge role it plays in my life and the roles it has played the world over throughout the ages, but it can’t be distilled down to a single or several roles. PeterG 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 Art on another level. Josh Mound 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, kumakuma said: The video of Bill Shatner singing is certainly proof of this... Don't judge me... ;-) No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post beetlemania Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 43 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I know which version I like, but I have friends who’d go for this one every time. Most covers fail because they try to mimic the original rather than offer a fresh interpretation. But, this . . . Chef’s kiss. AudioDoctor and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Roon ROCK (Roon 1.7; NUC7i3) > Ayre QB-9 Twenty > Ayre AX-5 Twenty > Thiel CS2.4SE (crossovers rebuilt with Clarity CSA and Multicap RTX caps, Mills MRA-12 resistors; ERSE and Jantzen coils; Cardas binding posts and hookup wire); Cardas and OEM power cables, interconnects, and speaker cables Link to comment
Popular Post kumakuma Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: Don't judge me... ;-) That ship's already sailed, my friend... The Computer Audiophile and AudioDoctor 2 Sometimes it's like someone took a knife, baby Edgy and dull and cut a six inch valley Through the middle of my skull Link to comment
shum3s Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 3 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: Everyone will have different opinions on the worthiness of an opinion as well... where do you draw the line? regarding art/music it is purely subjective. If music/art is purely subjective, then what’s the big deal for a given artist to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Are they inducted purely on the subjectivity of the 38 individuals who vote, or do they have some guiding principles, dare I say absolutes in determining who gets inducted? I am not saying subjectivity dose not play a role in determining what I like or don’t like. But there is the reality called talent, a voice being pitch perfect, levels of proficiency in mastering a instrument. In all human endeavors, abilities, talent, giftedness, and discipline is not a matter of subjectivity; otherwise mediocrity would be the standard. Sam C.A.P. Pipeline, windows pro 10 > Roon > SOtM USB > Keces power supply > HDplex power supply > 4x2 HD Mini DSP > Ayre DSD QB-9 > Naim CDX > ModWright 9 S.E. Preamp > A21 Parasound Amplifier > Magnepan .7 > Augie's Dipole sub, ML sub, DIY sub > Dedicated room with acoustical treatment. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, shum3s said: If music/art is purely subjective, then what’s the big deal for a given artist to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Are they inducted purely on the subjectivity of the 38 individuals who vote, or do they have some guiding principles, dare I say absolutes in determining who gets inducted? I am not saying subjectivity dose not play a role in determining what I like or don’t like. But there is the reality called talent, a voice being pitch perfect, levels of proficiency in mastering a instrument. In all human endeavors, abilities, talent, giftedness, and discipline is not a matter of subjectivity; otherwise mediocrity would be the standard. Sam Then how do you explain Nickelback? Or any of the awful bands just like them? No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted September 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 7, 2021 45 minutes ago, shum3s said: If music/art is purely subjective, then what’s the big deal for a given artist to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Are they inducted purely on the subjectivity of the 38 individuals who vote, or do they have some guiding principles, dare I say absolutes in determining who gets inducted? It's just a way to generate tourism dollars and another avenue for promotion and marketing. Zero connection to "Art". Just like every other "Hall of Fame". As always, follow the money. MarkusBarkus and The Computer Audiophile 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: otherwise mediocrity would be the standard. Actually, it usually is. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 4 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I agree those artists impacted many people, but that’s what they did. Their art wasn’t better or worse than other art. I'd say any artist who impacted many people over a long period of time can be said to be "better" than someone who didn't. Say, compared to "one hit wonders" where almost no one remembers them or their song. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
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