R1200CL Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, Jud said: and the Mikrotik is to the right This one ? https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in And you can’t access it ? What OS ? RouterOS or SwOS ? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jud said: I usually get ~700mbps when testing wireless speed with my phone. That could be a limitation of the phone. My iPad is better than my iPhone as an example. PC being worse. (And I know why). AppleTV may get a good result. Did you test ? Link to comment
Jud Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, R1200CL said: This one ? https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in And you can’t access it ? What OS ? RouterOS or SwOS ? Yes, that's the one. Currently can't access it, correct. Don't know which OS - is there a way to find out without accessing via the web interface? (By the way, the FMCs are on their way back to Amazon already, so no testing throughput.) One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 6 minutes ago, R1200CL said: That could be a limitation of the phone. My iPad is better than my iPhone as an example. PC being worse. (And I know why). AppleTV may get a good result. Did you test ? This is real world wireless speed, not nominal. I'm plenty happy with that. The next phone I get should have Wi-Fi 6E and may be able to use all the wireless speed the routers can put out. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jud said: Currently can't access it, correct Can you attach a PC directly ? Just a LAN cable between switch and PC ? https://i.mt.lv/cdn/product_files/CRS305-1G-4SplusIN-h_190756.pdf Then you ought to also see if the SFP other end is alive. Do firmware upgrade etc. Or this one: https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Winbox Duke40 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Duke40 Posted September 2, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Jud said: When I try to open the Mikrotik web interface using their phone app, I get the message "Connection refused." The web interface on the PC also does not connect. Had similar experience with my 1st MikroTik CRS305, on my laptop the web browser did not connect via wifi, also MikroTik app did not connect on mobile phone. @Jud , just a thought, are you able to directly connect a laptop to the MGMT ethernet port of the MikroTik switch via web browser or WinBox64 and connect to SwitchOS web browser interface? Kind of trying to think along the lines of ruling out any possible network cabling/configuration factors in the path, for the reason of not being able to access your MikroTik CRS305. IIRC both of my CRS305 arrived in RouterOS mode out of the box, not in SwitchOS mode, and they both had default IP address of 192.168.88.1. CRS305 arriving in Router mode may have even caused a Double NAT issue (as I already have a Firewalla Gold router), which probably caused the issue of being unable to access them. @ericuco suggestion of trying the WinBox64 app is a great recommendation. Though even WinBox64 app initially did not find my MikroTik, so I just typed in the CRS305 MAC address in WinBox64 which worked in getting a connection by doing the following as detailed below. Directly connected laptop via ethernet to the ethernet port of the new MikroTik CRS305, after changing my laptops network settings to be in the 192.168.88.x range, used WinBox64. Still could not find the CRS305, even typing its default IP address of 192.168.88.1 in my web browser. So I then looked under the CRS305, found the MAC address on the label underneath (MAC address on the label is called "E01"), and typed MAC address into the "Connect To" field of WinBox64 app. This got a connection via using WinBox64, and RouterOS configuration opened up. So, I changed it to run SwitchOS, rebooted, and then I could use a web browser to configure SwitchOS. R1200CL and Jud 1 1 Speaker : iPhone 6S Plus > UpTone Audio USB Regen (x2) > Benchmark DAC1 Pre > Pass Labs INT-30A > Focal Micro Utopia BE Headphone : Auralic Aries > Auralic Gemini 2000 > Audeze LCD-X Power & Tweaks : Heaps of Balanced & Isolation Power supplies, Dedicated Line, Vinnie Rossi MINI PURE-DC-4EVR, HD-Plex LPSU, iFi Audio DC iPurifiers, DIY Resonance/Vibration platforms using Townshend Audio Seismic Isolation Pods Link to comment
Jud Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 @R1200CL and @Duke40, great idea. Thanks so much for the help! One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Duke40 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Had more trouble a few weeks ago when adding a 2nd CRS305 via 10Gbe optical connection to connect to Amplifi Alien WiFi 6 mesh, and even the above did not work. So, I was kind of doing something similar to what you will be achieving. What got it going was following "How to boot into SwOS and How to fix SwOS no boot condition. Mikrotik CRS317" on YouTube. Its even a more convoluted process, but it did get it accessible, so I could configure it. During setup I upgraded the firmware of RouterOS prior to changing to SwitchOS, which I would consider good practice (and I did this with my first CRS305), though unfortunately a recent RouterOS firmware software update has a bug when changing to SwitchOS, it gets into a reboot loop and resets the CRS305 IP address to 0.0.0.0. Prior to resetting (this really should be a last choice), maybe just try directly connecting to the MGMT port of your MikroTik and see if you can connect via WinBox64 app, or web browser. Apologies for long winded post, though I experienced issues initially connecting to both of my MikroTik CRS305 switchs, though now able to access MikroTiks via web browser on my laptop via wifi now. Both CRS305 been rock solid running SwitchOS since then. R1200CL 1 Speaker : iPhone 6S Plus > UpTone Audio USB Regen (x2) > Benchmark DAC1 Pre > Pass Labs INT-30A > Focal Micro Utopia BE Headphone : Auralic Aries > Auralic Gemini 2000 > Audeze LCD-X Power & Tweaks : Heaps of Balanced & Isolation Power supplies, Dedicated Line, Vinnie Rossi MINI PURE-DC-4EVR, HD-Plex LPSU, iFi Audio DC iPurifiers, DIY Resonance/Vibration platforms using Townshend Audio Seismic Isolation Pods Link to comment
Jud Posted September 2, 2021 Author Share Posted September 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Duke40 said: Had more trouble a few weeks ago when adding a 2nd CRS305 via 10Gbe optical connection to connect to Amplifi Alien WiFi 6 mesh, and even the above did not work. So, I was kind of doing something similar to what you will be achieving. Did you set the 2nd Mikrotik's internal IP address manually or were you able to allow the router to hand it out? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Duke40 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, Jud said: Did you set the 2nd Mikrotik's internal IP address manually or were you able to allow the router to hand it out? Initially I set the 2nd CRS305 internal IP address as static, so manually. Once I got the MikroTiks configured how I wanted, then I changed to "DHCP with Fallback" in Address Acquistion field of the "System" tab of SwitchOS. You could also choose "DHCP" so the router hands it out. Have tried both options "DHCP" and "DHCP with Fallback", they both work fine ... I just liked "Static" for the initial configuration so I could finish setting it properly. Speaker : iPhone 6S Plus > UpTone Audio USB Regen (x2) > Benchmark DAC1 Pre > Pass Labs INT-30A > Focal Micro Utopia BE Headphone : Auralic Aries > Auralic Gemini 2000 > Audeze LCD-X Power & Tweaks : Heaps of Balanced & Isolation Power supplies, Dedicated Line, Vinnie Rossi MINI PURE-DC-4EVR, HD-Plex LPSU, iFi Audio DC iPurifiers, DIY Resonance/Vibration platforms using Townshend Audio Seismic Isolation Pods Link to comment
Popular Post R1200CL Posted September 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 I had never heard about MoCA before. This one I find interesting https://www.mdslink.com/magic-sfp/ I like to test out physical separated network, and if that affects SQ. I’m not sure if there is any logical reason to expect a pure audio network would sound better, but will be fun to test. Now I found a way to use the abandoned TV-cable to something useful. @plissken If in a managed switch or quality router would like to lower the traffic between the audio devices to absolutely only necessary, what technics would you use ? In general, how to create “point to point connection between many clients in a network ? (Not subnet and firewall rules). (If interested, I start a new tread). Jud and Duke40 2 Link to comment
plissken Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 19 minutes ago, R1200CL said: If in a managed switch or quality router would like to lower the traffic between the audio devices to absolutely only necessary, what technics would you use ? Just getting this out of the way: Isolation means devices have no dependencies between each other... Layer 2 would be VLAN and VACL (MAC address access control lists). Also called 'client isolation' by many vendors. That would be the two primary L2 options. Layer 3: I would used IPV6 as there aren't any broadcasts and IPV4's IGMP and PIM Sparse/Dense are baked into the protocol for multicasts. Additionally You can do VLAN isolation with a RACL (Router Access Control Lists) and prevent traffic from other vlans from even getting to your Audio only vlans. Duke40 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted September 3, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Jud said: @R1200CL and @Duke40, great idea. Thanks so much for the help! Success. 🙂 I can be really dang thick, so it took me a few unsuccessful attempts to realize I was never going to connect to the Mikrotik until I turned off my laptop's Wi-Fi so I could manually change its IP address to the same network as the Mikrotik. Once I did that, Winbox64 was able to connect immediately. It's an Apple laptop, but a kind soul created an Apple version of Winbox64 that happens to be suited for Catalina, which is what I'm running on the old laptop. From there it was a matter of Googling where in the Winbox64 menu the option to boot into SwOS is buried, and once I reconnected the Mikrotik in the garage it showed up on my home network. Now that I've got the procedure down, the other two Mikrotiks should be easy - they'll never see the home network until after they've been reconfigured to boot into SwOS. Duke40, R1200CL and ericuco 2 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 Hi @Jud I assume you switch to fiber bachhaul. Did wireless speed improve? Have you deployed fiber from Mikrotik to EtherRegen? Link to comment
Jud Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 18 hours ago, R1200CL said: Hi @Jud I assume you switch to fiber bachhaul. Did wireless speed improve? Have you deployed fiber from Mikrotik to EtherRegen? The other two Mikrotiks I need to make the fiber connections don't arrive until tomorrow or a bit later, so I'll find out then. I suppose I could try running fiber to the EtherRegen, but at least at first I'll be connecting through the ASUS router. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 The two next Mikrotik’ s is same CRS305, or did you choose the 610-8G-2S+IN in order to get more RJ45 ports ? Link to comment
Jud Posted September 5, 2021 Author Share Posted September 5, 2021 57 minutes ago, R1200CL said: The two next Mikrotik’ s is same CRS305, or did you choose the 610-8G-2S+IN in order to get more RJ45 ports ? Same CRS305 - the ASUS router has 4 RJ45 ports, and currently that's more than I need. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted September 6, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2021 On 9/4/2021 at 1:23 PM, R1200CL said: Hi @Jud I assume you switch to fiber bachhaul. Did wireless speed improve? Have you deployed fiber from Mikrotik to EtherRegen? On 9/5/2021 at 7:41 AM, Jud said: The other two Mikrotiks I need to make the fiber connections don't arrive until tomorrow or a bit later, so I'll find out then. I suppose I could try running fiber to the EtherRegen, but at least at first I'll be connecting through the ASUS router. Mikrotiks arrived. This time it was easy to get them set up as switches. I moved the mesh routers to fiber backhaul and got all 3 wireless bands onto the home network. There are about 3 different places in the router admin WebUI that have to be tweaked to do this - they don't make it particularly convenient. I could isolate the audio system to one of the 5GHz networks, but I'm lazy enough that I prefer to have one network with an algorithm steering the 30+ devices to a particular node. If I feel like isolating the audio somewhat from wireless chatter, I can run fiber to the EtherRegen, which at this point would be quite easy and inexpensive (an optical patch cable and an SFP). But first I'll try it as is. I don't expect the changes I just made to alter how the system sounds, which I'm enjoying tremendously, so fiber to the ER is not a high priority. In terms of performance, it's better. Download speed to the PC is 2-3 times what it was before, which I would expect when changing from a Wi-Fi router in another room to an optical fiber connection. (I feel like buying some music just to watch how quickly it downloads! 😉) The Wi-Fi speed to my phone is also up, noticeably though not hugely (I flipped back and forth between configurations in the router WebUI and did several speed tests both ways). So I've accomplished what I set out to do, getting a more reliable, faster connection to my PC and my audio system without a huge expenditure. Thanks again to @jabbr for giving me the idea to have the house wired with optical cable while it was being built, and to @Duke40, @R1200CL and @ericuco for helping me along the way when I got stuck. jabbr, ericuco, Duke40 and 1 other 4 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 Listening for the first time since I made the changes. Obviously the power of suggestion may well be playing into this, but I'm quite liking what I'm hearing. I just may have to try optical direct into the EtherRegen. I remember quite a bit of discussion a long while back on what SFPs were suited for the ER. Anyone want to tell me what you're successfully using? One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Jud said: Listening for the first time since I made the changes. Obviously the power of suggestion may well be playing into this, but I'm quite liking what I'm hearing. I just may have to try optical direct into the EtherRegen. I remember quite a bit of discussion a long while back on what SFPs were suited for the ER. Anyone want to tell me what you're successfully using? It's OK, did a search and already ordered. R1200CL 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Duke40 Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Jud said: It's OK, did a search and already ordered. @Jud i'm curious 🧐, which SFPs did you choose to order? 13 hours ago, Jud said: Anyone want to tell me what you're successfully using? The best SFP modules I have are also the least expensive, only cost about $3 each, purchased them used, from eBay. Finisar FTLF8524P2BNV, 850nm MultiMode 1Gb. 14 hours ago, Jud said: I just may have to try optical direct into the EtherRegen. It is worth a go, be interested to hear your thoughts once things have settled down. Optical direct into EtherRegen (MikroTik CRS305 >> EtherRegen) is what I found best. 19 hours ago, Jud said: In terms of performance, it's better. Download speed to the PC is 2-3 times what it was before, which I would expect when changing from a Wi-Fi router in another room to an optical fiber connection. (I feel like buying some music just to watch how quickly it downloads! 😉) The Wi-Fi speed to my phone is also up, noticeably though not hugely (I flipped back and forth between configurations in the router WebUI and did several speed tests both ways). So I've accomplished what I set out to do, getting a more reliable, faster connection to my PC and my audio system without a huge expenditure. Congratulations 👏 , that is a great result! Speaker : iPhone 6S Plus > UpTone Audio USB Regen (x2) > Benchmark DAC1 Pre > Pass Labs INT-30A > Focal Micro Utopia BE Headphone : Auralic Aries > Auralic Gemini 2000 > Audeze LCD-X Power & Tweaks : Heaps of Balanced & Isolation Power supplies, Dedicated Line, Vinnie Rossi MINI PURE-DC-4EVR, HD-Plex LPSU, iFi Audio DC iPurifiers, DIY Resonance/Vibration platforms using Townshend Audio Seismic Isolation Pods Link to comment
Jud Posted September 7, 2021 Author Share Posted September 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Duke40 said: @Jud i'm curious 🧐, which SFPs did you choose to order? We’ll see how these work: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M0UKAQD?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image Duke40 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted September 13, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2021 On 9/7/2021 at 3:51 PM, Jud said: We’ll see how these work: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01M0UKAQD?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image The answer is that they work perfectly - no muss, no fuss. I haven't bothered to do any listening comparisons. All I know is that the music I'm playing sounds great and I'm very happy. ericuco and Duke40 2 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
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