Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/12/2021 at 10:06 AM, miguelito said: Wondering if there are liner notes in pdf form. The DXD download did not include anything. I love liner notes. Whenever I rip a disc I scan the liner notes and put them with the files - and can see them in Roon or Audirvana. @miguelito FWIW: My DXD download included the liner notes as pdf. I did a direct download (did not use download manager), the album was downloaded as a 6.5GB Zip Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
miguelito Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Fantastic thank you. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 12 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: @miguelito FWIW: My DXD download included the liner notes as pdf. I did a direct download (did not use download manager), the album was downloaded as a 6.5GB Zip So to make this clear for others: If you use the NativeDSD "downloader" app then you will get no liner notes or cover art. It's odd since HDTracks' downloader app does include those (obviously not the same app). Downloading a compressed file includes everything. The Computer Audiophile 1 NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
Popular Post austinpop Posted August 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2021 @JoeWhip Great review! From your article, and the recently published Roon blog article, is my understanding of the full processing chain to the DXD release correct? analog microphones > analog mixing board (see Bob Ludwig's comments) > ADC (Horus with Merging + Clock U) to 32f/352.8 > editing (352.8) > mastering > 32f/352.8 release. Specifically, there is just the one conversion from analog to DXD, and no further format conversions? I must say, the SQ of this release is just outstanding. I have also bought the 32f DXD version from NativeDSD, as I really hope we see more 32-bit DXD releases in the future. I hope all AS'ers who support transparency of provenance, and the outstanding SQ of 32f DXD, will support the effort and buy this album. Finally, if you're a PGGB user, then I can tell you these 32f DXD albums upsample brilliantly. happybob and The Computer Audiophile 2 My Audio Setup Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted August 16, 2021 Author Share Posted August 16, 2021 I am glad people are enjoying the album. It is a spectacular release. As for the recording chain and mixing console, I think Jim covers that in the zoom call. Link to comment
austinpop Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 My bad, I did not listen/watch the Zoom interview. I’m more of a reader than a podcast consumer! I’ll give it a look. My Audio Setup Link to comment
miguelito Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 10 hours ago, austinpop said: I have also bought the 32f DXD version from NativeDSD, as I really hope we see more 32-bit DXD releases in the future. I hope all AS'ers who support transparency of provenance, and the outstanding SQ of 32f DXD, will support the effort and buy this album. Finally, if you're a PGGB user, then I can tell you these 32f DXD albums upsample brilliantly. If I understood correctly, the capture was 32 bit, the final mastering at 24 bit. NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
austinpop Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, miguelito said: If I understood correctly, the capture was 32 bit, the final mastering at 24 bit. No, actually NativeDSD offers the 32f DXD! Check it out. https://www.nativedsd.com/catalogue/albums/imp7002dxd-clique/ My Audio Setup Link to comment
firedog Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, austinpop said: No, actually NativeDSD offers the 32f DXD! Check it out. https://www.nativedsd.com/catalogue/albums/imp7002dxd-clique/ They didn't have the 32bit listed at first. It's a later edition. The 32 bit is the actual master. Although I'd be surprised if anyone can hear a difference between that and the 24 bit conversion. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 I have the actual master. I will have to snag a 24 bit sample to see if I can hear a difference. I probably won’t be able to. Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 5 hours ago, firedog said: They didn't have the 32bit listed at first. It's a later edition. The 32 bit is the actual master. Although I'd be surprised if anyone can hear a difference between that and the 24 bit conversion. 51 minutes ago, JoeWhip said: I have the actual master. I will have to snag a 24 bit sample to see if I can hear a difference. I probably won’t be able to. The 32bit version is floating point as DAWs do the processing in floating point and 24bit is created from the floating point version. But I don't know of any DAC that can directly use PCM in 32 bit floating point values. So most likely your music player will convert 32 bit floating point to either 24bits or 32bit PCM, at which point it would be hard to distinguish. The 32bit floating point is most useful and will shine if you do any kind of processing (EQ, software volume control or upsampling). Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 Yes, my software sends the DXD files at 32/192 to my DAC. The 24 /352.8 would be sent at 24/192 so I can’t imagine being able to hear a difference. Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeWhip said: Yes, my software sends the DXD files at 32/192 to my DAC. The 24 /352.8 would be sent at 24/192 so I can’t imagine being able to hear a difference. It will be interesting to see if you hear a difference, and only because your software is having to downsample DXD to 192kHz rate, so working with the master can have have some benefit. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
miguelito Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 9 hours ago, austinpop said: No, actually NativeDSD offers the 32f DXD! Check it out. https://www.nativedsd.com/catalogue/albums/imp7002dxd-clique/ I know they do. However: NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
miguelito Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 7:39 AM, miguelito said: So to make this clear for others: If you use the NativeDSD "downloader" app then you will get no liner notes or cover art. It's odd since HDTracks' downloader app does include those (obviously not the same app). Downloading a compressed file includes everything. To make things even more clear: I am an idiot! :) This is what the NativeDSD downloader screen looks like - the the album cover and booklet download options on the left: NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
JoeWhip Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 hey, we all make mistakes, at least everyone but my wife, who is perfect! 😀 miguelito 1 Link to comment
austinpop Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, miguelito said: I know they do. However: Guessing a typo? My Audio Setup Link to comment
miguelito Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 45 minutes ago, austinpop said: Guessing a typo? Based on what? It is not unreasonable that capture was done at 32bit but after mixing/etc it would be determined 24bit is the proper master output? NUC10i7 + Roon ROCK > dCS Rossini APEX DAC + dCS Rossini Master Clock SME 20/3 + SME V + Dynavector XV-1s or ANUK IO Gold > vdH The Grail or Kondo KSL-SFz + ANK L3 Phono Audio Note Kondo Ongaku > Avantgarde Duo Mezzo Signal cables: Kondo Silver, Crystal Cable phono Power cables: Kondo, Shunyata, van den Hul system pics Link to comment
austinpop Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, miguelito said: Based on what? It is not unreasonable that capture was done at 32bit but after mixing/etc it would be determined 24bit is the proper master output? From where are you quoting the above text? Do you have a link? If the original recording precision of 32-bit is being reduced to 24-bit, due to an intermediate "mix master," that would be disappointing. And it doesn't jive at all with the comments Jim Anderson and Ulrike Schwartz made in the Zoom interview embedded in Joe's review. My Audio Setup Link to comment
mevdinc Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 8/9/2021 at 8:13 PM, matthias said: Available too on Spotify. Matt Such a great album. I've been listening to this quite a lot and on Spotify no less. :) Still waiting for Spotify to introduce lossless streaming...any news, anyone? mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
HeeBroG Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 8:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: The 32bit version is floating point as DAWs do the processing in floating point and 24bit is created from the floating point version. But I don't know of any DAC that can directly use PCM in 32 bit floating point values. So most likely your music player will convert 32 bit floating point to either 24bits or 32bit PCM, at which point it would be hard to distinguish. The 32bit floating point is most useful and will shine if you do any kind of processing (EQ, software volume control or upsampling). Hi ZB, The 32DXD was not available when I downloaded the 24DXD. Is there any point in the 32bit version if using PGGB to output 24bit for use with SRX-DX? PH SR7 > MacMini+Uptone MMK Mod > Audirvana 3.2 > re-clocked D-LInk switch/LPS1.1 > sMS-200Ultra/LPS1.2 > tX-USBUltra/PH SR7 > Chord BluDave > Focal Utopia(Norne Silver) or Voxativ 9.87/ Stereo REL G1 Mk II Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 7 hours ago, HeeBroG said: Hi ZB, The 32DXD was not available when I downloaded the 24DXD. Is there any point in the 32bit version if using PGGB to output 24bit for use with SRX-DX? Since you got the 24bit version , perhaps you can reach out to NativeDSD and ask if you can get the 32bit version (assuming you got it from NativeDSD). The 32bit version is floating-point and it is the source you use as an input for further processing. Having a higher resolution source is beneficial wether you output 24bit or 32bit as the processing benefits from the increased resolution and decreased noise in the source track. The only time 32bit float version is not recommended is when you wish to play it back in a bit-perfect mode with no processing. HeeBroG 1 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
matthias Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 4:57 PM, mevdinc said: Still waiting for Spotify to introduce lossless streaming...any news, anyone? I am waiting as well. Spotify come up with a new version of their desktop app for Mac about every week, but so far no lossless.... Matt "I want to know why the musicians are on stage, not where". (John Farlowe) Link to comment
tjpinckard Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 I just downloaded the DSdD64 version upsampled to DSD256 via HQ Player. using the EC modulation. You are correct, Sounds Awesome! On her last album, "Higher" I went with DXD and to me, the DSD version sounds better, more natural. IMHO of course! Another great effort by a truly classic artist! Cheers,😄 Link to comment
Qhwoeprktiyns Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 On 8/10/2021 at 2:04 PM, miguelito said: Great stuff! It is a beautiful album. I particularly love Stevie Wonder's "All In Love Is Fair" rendition, I have always loved this song and this version is fantastic. Thank you. https://open.qobuz.com/track/50398852 and Link to comment
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