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Nice job Chris, I enjoyed your review.  I had the original Terminator and then moved to the Terminator Plus.  I'd echo your comments regarding the sonic differences as I found the same differences/improvements. 

 

Did Alvin send you a Denafrips DDC?  If so, I think it would be beneficial to consumers to have you comment on sonic changes when using the clock out feature of the Terminator 2.   To me, I find very nice further improvement with the clock-out engaged and that is a big selling point of the Terminator 2 over the original.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Blake said:

Nice job Chris, I enjoyed your review.  I had the original Terminator and then moved to the Terminator Plus.  I'd echo your comments regarding the sonic differences as I found the same differences/improvements. 

 

Did Alvin send you a Denafrips DDC?  If so, I think it would be beneficial to consumers to have you comment on sonic changes when using the clock out feature of the Terminator 2.   To me, I find very nice further improvement with the clock-out engaged and that is a big selling point of the Terminator 2 over the original.

 

 

Thanks Blake. Alvin offered a Denafrips DDC but I wasn't sure I could get to it in a reasonable amount of time, so I passed for now. I agree, it would be nice to give it a try.

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wonderful article Chris 😎👍
I read it all in one breath
( it's a way of saying )

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6 minutes ago, Martin Herløv Andersen said:

Please, please (: consider writing a review of the Holo Audio May DAC.

 

The terminator and the may dac is on everybody lips this days but I haven't found a good comparison of the two

I reached out to get one but never heard back. 

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I just SOLD my Regular Terminator and was ready to pull the trigger on a T+ to later add a GAIA, but HOLO MAY appeared in my radar and then the Bricasti M1-SE ( one year used ), around $6,000, and around that price range there is the TOTALDAC d1-single-mk2 DAC or d1-Core, but now with this review considering the T-II being less than 4,500 usd delivered, makes me think even more.

 

Any suggestions ?

 

 

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15 hours ago, John A said:

Huge upgrade that has been taken up another notch with the addition of the Gaia DDC.

John 

doesn't adding Gaia DDC limit the sampling that can be sent to the dac? 

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Thanks for the review.   Always great to see new products that improve the experience.   Had me reading the review in my head with Arnold's accent LOL.

 

R-2R DACs ....  how do they rank among other DAC types?   

 

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I was looking at the May KTE but the price to the UK was simply beyond my budget at that time.

 

So I spoke to Alvin and Vinshine - always an excellent experience - about the T+ and the newly arriving TII and he helped convince me to go with the TII. I knew about the long burn in process but right away I could see how much it exceeded what my VEGA G1 could ever do. Right away the whole musical experience felt that much more engaging, less fatiguing, and in the balance of changes everything that arrived was positive, and all the 'deductions; in the sonics felt equally as important too. It was only then - once I'd got to terms with the absence of some sonic traits - that I realised how much more natural the R2R sound from Denafrips was compared to the Auralic.

 

A few weeks later I managed to get hold of a Hermes DDC, and adding TII clock out was another real enabler to bring my front-end nearer to what the TII could deliver. Hugely worthwhile upgrade, and now my Aries G1 streamer with Hoer-Wege PSU upgrade and fantastic cables sounds equally as good through streaming as I could ever get via ripped FLACS.

 

TII was a great step up for me - adding the Hermes DDC and adding excellent USB, i2S and clock cabling has shown me just how good this DAC is.

 

Can't imagine needing to upgrade for a long time - one happy customer here

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Did you compare the Terminator + Hermes with or without clocking Cakes? If so what did the clocking bring?

I have the 2020 Terminator and Hermes and don't have a clock out on my dac.

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Sorry. No @Egill23 - never had the chance to hear a TI - read enough about them, but when I was ready to spend that much on a DAC my timing just nudged me into the TII incarnation. Also only bought the Hermes some weeks after the TII arrived, enough time for the unit to burn in. The DDC was 100% worth it, I'd never go back (haven't even done an A-B after time as it was very noticeable from the start. The Hermes looks possibly like the sweet spot for the slightly budget conscious as the better clocks of the much more expensive Gaia are seemingly negated with the TII Precision OXCO clock out. TII and Hermes is a great combination - not sure how it compares with T+ alone, but it's certainly cheaper...

 

I'm sure there will be more reviews forthcoming that compare the two Terminators, but for now we have Chris' write up above which does seem like a very positive summary for the new model. So much of the T+ tech is put into in the much later released TII that my thinking is it's again the sweet spot for the slightly budget minded.

 

Surely a T+ mk II beckons soon to make a bit more daylight between the models again...but for now I think the TII and Hermes is giving me a musical experience that I cannot imagine growing tired of. More a case of trying to bring the rest of the components up to scratch...

 

Hard to not be curious about what the TII brings, but I bet your 2020 TI is outstanding too. With the resale hassle and import duties it could be a lot of money which might be better spent elsewhere. All the best,

 

John

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On 8/4/2021 at 7:01 AM, BrownMagic said:

upsamples content to 768k

Hi this is not true for the terminator. 
the terminator also have a very high output impedance of 1250 ohm so if your pre amplifier has a low input impedance then it’s not going to sound right 

 

tube amps have a high input impedance around 100K so that’s a good match

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On 8/4/2021 at 2:21 AM, giordy60 said:

John 

doesn't adding Gaia DDC limit the sampling that can be sent to the dac? 

Yes but the only files that get cut out are DSD1024.  I don't have any of those and I don't think many exist so with that as a limiting factor I feel pretty good about the limitation.  

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