I have had it with Roon, their lack of support, their user forum, and it's users...

[robi20064]

Isn't there .NET 5 already to render both mono and .NET Core kind of outdated?
 

[SimoneF]

Just now, robi20064 said:

Isn't there .NET 5 already to render both mono and .NET Core kind of outdated?
 

Not a very mature platform yet

[4est]

4 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Would they even get a benefit from not using the entire CPU?

Typically they use GPU, not CPU anyway.  

[AudioDoctor]

23 minutes ago, 4est said:

Typically they use GPU, not CPU anyway.  

 

That's what I thought.

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, SimoneF said:

I don't know, I use it in a Windows VM which is up since the start of June and RAM and CPU usage are very normal (aka extremely low unless it's scanning for new files)

 

Do you monitor that constantly 24/7? Because mine is also low until it spikes for a period of time, sometimes even stopping playback.

[4est]

1 minute ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

That's what I thought.

Perhaps a wee bit from 10000 users leads to something. I dunno exactly.  When I tried it for giggles it didn’t want to use  my cpu, a 9900ks, but loved my older GTX 1060. 

[Pappy Boyington]

A lot of posters over at the Roon forum report that they don't have stability issues or usage spikes once running on a NUC with ROCK.  But to my understanding, ROCK only supports the NUC line of products; you cannot just install it on any old machine?  It's ironic that Windows is being recommended here because I've had a bunch of issues on my Windows-based Roon core,  It's a dedicated machine, does nothing else, is an i7 8-core 10th generation with 32GB RAM and while it's faster than my prior Roon core it still does the same flakey stuff, like lose album cover images and mysteriously pause music for no reason. Stops playing at the end of tracks for no reason.  

[Rune]

2 hours ago, Pappy Boyington said:

But to my understanding, ROCK only supports the NUC line of products; you cannot just install it on any old machine?  

Sometimes you can install ROCK on an old machine, but no support if it does not work. There is a thread about it on the Roon forum

MOCK - Tell us what strange gear you’ve installed ROCK on!

I have been running MOCK for many years. I do not care about the CPU, memory and network usage as long as it just works.

And I have not connected the servers directly to my DAC I am using a NAA so the load on the servers do not influence SQ.  Both my Roon Server and HQPlayer server is on separate machines in another room.

[Dr Tone]

21 hours ago, robi20064 said:

Isn't there .NET 5 already to render both mono and .NET Core kind of outdated?
 

No, that’s still upcoming in .NET 6.

[AudioDoctor]

So... I separated Roon and HQP onto two separate machines...

 

The result isn't awful. With regards to Roon software, I may have to eat a tiny bit of crow, but my  other complaints still stand.

[The Computer Audiophile]

8 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

The result isn't awful.

But still ridiculous that it can’t run on the same machine, given your machine could run NASA in 1970 (it’s powerful as hell).

[AudioDoctor]

3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

But still ridiculous that it can’t run on the same machine, given your machine could run NASA in 1970 (I.e. it’s powerful as hell).

 

10,000 simultaneous Moon missions. Can't run Roon and HQP at the same time.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, AudioDoctor said:

 

10,000 simultaneous Moon missions. Can't run Roon and HQP at the same time.

Totally. 

[katools]

19 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

With regards to Roon software, I may have to eat a tiny bit of crow, but my  other complaints still stand.

Roon bemoan Apple's walled garden whilst building their very own walled sewer.

[davide256]

On 8/6/2021 at 7:06 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Totally. 

 

On 8/6/2021 at 7:06 PM, AudioDoctor said:

 

10,000 simultaneous Moon missions. Can't run Roon and HQP at the same time.

Always possible that this is a consumer OS shortcoming. Wonder if HQPlayer runs under Windows Server OS….

[AudioDoctor]

13 minutes ago, davide256 said:

 

Always possible that this is a consumer OS shortcoming. Wonder if HQPlayer runs under Windows Server OS….

 

I am running Ubuntu on the ZFS file system.

[rando]

On 8/7/2021 at 1:25 PM, katools said:

Roon bemoan Apple's walled garden whilst building their very own walled sewer.

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

This afternoon I have Roon sending audio to my outdoor zones (full article coming soon) and the music stops every few tracks. So annoying. I switched to another app sending audio to the same zones, not a single stoppage for hours. Switched back to Roon, stoppages every few songs. 
 

So annoying. 

[AudioDoctor]

50 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

This afternoon I have Roon sending audio to my outdoor zones (full article coming soon) and the music stops every few tracks. So annoying. I switched to another app sending audio to the same zones, not a single stoppage for hours. Switched back to Roon, stoppages every few songs. 
 

So annoying. 

 

Yeah, I have audio stoppage periodically even after switching Roon to a different machine... It says it lost contact with the audio device. I'm not sure why, everything has a fixed IP on my network. I can monitor my network, there is no egregious intermittent users, and everything, save Roon, just flows around normally.

[The Computer Audiophile]

14 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Yeah, I have audio stoppage periodically even after switching Roon to a different machine... It says it lost contact with the audio device. I'm not sure why, everything has a fixed IP on my network. I can monitor my network, there is no egregious intermittent users, and everything, save Roon, just flows around normally.

I’ve never had a single issue with HQP and NAA endpoints. Just RAAT and UPnP (the most nonstandard standard).

[AudioDoctor]

21 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’ve never had a single issue with HQP and NAA endpoints. Just RAAT and UPnP (the most nonstandard standard).

 

I'll Venmo you a dollar to post this on the Roon forum, and 100 dollars if someone blames something other than your network.

 

I made the mistake of doing this once. Despite the fact that everything else works perfectly wasn't reason enough to suspect that the one thing that doesn't work must be the thing with the problem. Even to the point of someone from Roon saying that well, Roon is different so you have to change your entire network for Roon.

 

NO.

 

edit: Just imagine if you went to the Dr and said Doc, my finger is broken and it's not working like all my other fingers. And instead of fixing that one finger, he broke all the others to match...

[The Computer Audiophile]

13 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

I'll Venmo you a dollar to post this on the Roon forum, and 100 dollars if someone blames something other than your network.

 

I made the mistake of doing this once. Despite the fact that everything else works perfectly wasn't reason enough to suspect that the one thing that doesn't work must be the thing with the problem. Even to the point of someone from Roon saying that well, Roon is different so you have to change your entire network for Roon.

 

NO.

 

edit: Just imagine if you went to the Dr and said Doc, my finger is broken and it's not working like all my other fingers. And instead of fixing that one finger, he broke all the others to match...

I totally hear ya. 
 

I’m OK if Roon works differently. However, then Roon needs to tell people what to do to make it work rather than just say “it’s your network.”
 

Then I can make the decision if it’s worth it. As it is now, Roon is the only app with a problem. If Roon said “You have to do XYZ on your network to make it work.” Then I’d at least know the pros/cons costs/benefits. 

 

Just saying it’s somebody’s network, even though everything else works great including other audio apps, is a bit tough for customers. 

[Jud]

18 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

edit: Just imagine if you went to the Dr and said Doc, my finger is broken and it's not working like all my other fingers. And instead of fixing that one finger, he broke all the others to match...

 

Old Yiddish joke:

 

Guy goes to a tailor to pick up a suit. He tries it on, and one leg is shorter than the other. He says "What am I supposed to do with this, I have somewhere to go this evening?!" The tailor says "Just bend the shorter leg a bit." The customer rolls his eyes, but what can he do?

 

Then it turns out both arms are too short. The tailor says "Just pull up your arms a little." Grumbling, the customer complies. In this posture, he leaves the shop wearing the suit.

 

Down the street a man stops him and exclaims "Who is your tailor?" The customer says "Why would you want the name of that incompetent?!" The other man says "Are you kidding? Anyone who can fit someone like you must be a genius!"

[One and a half]

55 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’ve never had a single issue with HQP and NAA endpoints. Just RAAT and UPnP (the most nonstandard standard).

When transitioning from Roon to MinimServer, the latter was not reliable, kept stopping outbound streaming, firewalls were open, damn. Roon was operating at the same time, duh, switched that off and MinimServer has worked uninterrupted since for more than 8 weeks now.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Now instead of losing control of the audio device, Roon is saying the NAS is offline. It isn't. I have a constant ping to it and it's response time hasn't gone above 0.4ms, and none of my other SMB connections to the NAS from other devices have been effected. 

 

Playback cruising along, then just stops. This seems familiar.