Popular Post kennyb123 Posted July 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2021 It seems that when a product is regarded as the best, those who want that greatness to be conferred upon themselves are attracted to it like moths to a lamp. When one’s objective is to have the product say something about themselves, they don’t take too kindly to others suggesting that the product has areas for improvement. That’s a lot of what’s at play on the Roon forums. Some of the worst of these folks simply can’t allow a reality where Roon might not be the absolute best. They will pounce on dissenters as a means to keep their imagined reality in tact. They simply can’t allow it to be said that Roon might not have the best sound quality. The moderators on their forums make the situation worse. The bullies on the forums know how to control what’s being said there. Their goal is to cause dissenters to storm off angry. In a normal/healthy community it’s the toxic participants who get sent off as they receive pushback against their bullying behavior. The moderators allow the bullies to take their shots but anyone standing up to the bullies will have their posts removed, so there is never any pushback against the toxicity. I think it speaks very poorly about Roon the company that they allow toxic individuals to control the dialog there. I’m guessing leadership at Roon may actually be happy that the toxic individuals are chasing off any mention of Roon sound quality not measuring up. AudioDoctor, 4est, rn701 and 6 others 7 2 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 9 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: I let that run overnight when I switched to this server and it has been done for ages. The truth of oil is that Roon is doing a lot of activity in the background most of the time. I don't know why it needs to do it during music playback or why it required 145% of CPU resources during music playback. But it did and it was audible as a loss of quality in the sound. Yes I observed that too when my new music server arrived in January. It took at least a month for it to settle down. It had to get through analyzing my entire music library. I haven’t seen as much activity since but I haven’t really checked. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 The processing might be a function of how many network folders you have Roon watching. Antipodes came up with a smart approach of having only a single watched folder. This folder is essentially a single virtual volume with network folders mounted by Linux. Antipodes claims that this cuts down on processing. I can’t confirm or deny, but wonder if those who see all this processing have Roon watching a number of shared folders. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Only two here. Then maybe it’s related to library size. There are 10x more files in just your L drive than my entire library. Good for you but maybe bad for Roon and you. The Computer Audiophile 1 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 8, 2021 Share Posted July 8, 2021 2 hours ago, botrytis said: Well, measurements are more sensitive than ears and are not skewed by how our hearing works. That’s not exactly true. How our ear and brain work together is quite complex and science is still trying to understand it. A single measurement could be more sensitive for sure, but alone it gives us only a part of the story. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
Popular Post kennyb123 Posted July 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2021 21 hours ago, botrytis said: our ears are not sensitive at all - we are sensitive in the 2K-5K region. Equal Loudness Curves (gsu.edu) A single parameter alone isn’t enough to tell about the sensitivity of our hearing. We can perceive timing & pitch - and we have the ability to determine placement with really good accuracy. This is a fascinating anecdote about sensitivity to timing: I was working with Larry Mullen, Jr., on one of the U2 albums,” Eno told me. “ ‘All That You Don’t Leave Behind,’ or whatever it’s called.” Mullen was playing drums over a recording of the band and a click track—a computer-generated beat that was meant to keep all the overdubbed parts in synch. In this case, however, Mullen thought that the click track was slightly off: it was a fraction of a beat behind the rest of the band. “I said, ‘No, that can’t be so, Larry,’ ” Eno recalled. “ ‘We’ve all worked to that track, so it must be right.’ But he said, ‘Sorry, I just can’t play to it.’ ” Eno eventually adjusted the click to Mullen’s satisfaction, but he was just humoring him. It was only later, after the drummer had left, that Eno checked the original track again and realized that Mullen was right: the click was off by six milliseconds. “The thing is,” Eno told me, “when we were adjusting it I once had it two milliseconds to the wrong side of the beat, and he said, ‘No, you’ve got to come back a bit.’ Which I think is absolutely staggering.” I think too many try to reduce hearing down to a single dimension - frequency response. Hence the canard about older ears being not as adept at detecting differences. Obviously that’s true outside our frequency range. But for sounds still within our range, since hearing is more about ears+brain older ears can match or even outperform younger ears. feelingears and Always.Learning 1 1 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 14 hours ago, happybob said: Aurender does sound better than Roon - I verified this a while back. One challenge I and perhaps some have is that I sometimes do still need to use Roon (for multiroom playback) and Aurender does not run Roon at all (even as an option) from what I understand. How were you able to verify that Aurender sounds better without being able to run Roon on the same box? I’m sure you’re right - just curious though. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 6 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: n my opinion, HQPlayer sounds best when Roon server is shutdown completely and the only thing running is HQPlayer This has been my impression too. Antipodes makes it pretty easy to shutdown Roon. I will say though that I think shutting down Roon makes less of an improvement if I’ve shutdown my network, which I can do using a smart plug to kill the power to my opticalModule. Roon is very active on the network and I think much of its sonic degradation comes from that. happybob 1 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, happybob said: with Roon vs other software on the same box and Roon generally loses the competition. More like always, unfortunately. But yeah I know what you mean. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
kennyb123 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Now instead of losing control of the audio device, Roon is saying the NAS is offline. It isn't. I have a constant ping to it and it's response time hasn't gone above 0.4ms, and none of my other SMB connections to the NAS from other devices have been effected. Playback cruising along, then just stops. This seems familiar. These outdoor zones - are they connected over wifi? RAAT has struck me as awfully brittle. Delays anywhere along the path will cause playback to stop. The error messages tend not to be helpful either. But you know that already. Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
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