PeterSt Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, manueljenkin said: do the dacs that don't show measurable or audible differences with system tweaks, have actually better fidelity or are they just decorrelating the upstream noise while adding noise of their own (again sine squiggle charts and fft charts are inconclusive in this aspect). Yes, a very good one. I seem to know the answer long gone, but never mind. People will be stirred up unnecessary. Lush^3-e Lush^2 Blaxius^2.5 Ethernet^3 HDMI^2 XLR^2 XXHighEnd (developer) Phasure NOS1 24/768 Async USB DAC (manufacturer) Phasure Mach III Audio PC with Linear PSU (manufacturer) Orelino & Orelo MKII Speakers (designer/supplier) Link to comment
manueljenkin Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, PeterSt said: Yes, a very good one. I seem to know the answer long gone, but never mind. People will be stirred up unnecessary. I too know it, but it's a rigorous task to prove it, not because it's actually hard, but because there's so much aspects of the device properties/characterization/design techniques that is not available to general public, and also even if we happen to measure things, the correlation index of dependent and independent variables to our actual sound perception is quite not clear yet. Trying to aim for 120db SINAD ignoring many of the other factors (most of which we don't have equipment or methods to measure) can be a sub optimal choice for audio signal reproduction. All design choices to overoptimize one area/measurement will compromise somewhere else. Link to comment
Popular Post yamamoto2002 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 12, 2021 Created programs for this experiment ReadOneFileWithoutCache : Read one specified file with uncached read https://sourceforge.net/p/playpcmwin/code/HEAD/tree/PlayPcmWin/00experiments/ReadOneFileWithoutCache/ WWFileFragmentationCount2 : Graphical UI to show fragmentation status of specified file on NTFS volume https://sourceforge.net/p/playpcmwin/wiki/WWFileFragmentCount2/ pkane2001 and semente 1 1 Sunday programmer since 1985 Developer of PlayPcmWin Link to comment
idiot_savant Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 @yamamoto2002 - thanks for these, but doesn’t your uncached read only ever read 1Mb of a file? Your friendly neighbourhood idiot Link to comment
idiot_savant Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Ah, my mistake, you read 1Mb repeatedly into the same buffer. Although you do use goto, naughty boy! your friendly neighbourhood idiot Link to comment
yamamoto2002 Posted June 12, 2021 Author Share Posted June 12, 2021 These goto are not absolute necessary and can be replaced with do { } while(false) But some goto is relatively difficult to replace without sacrificing readability of the code. Sunday programmer since 1985 Developer of PlayPcmWin Link to comment
idiot_savant Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 @manueljenkin 6 hours ago, manueljenkin said: Trying to aim for 120db SINAD ignoring many of the other factors (most of which we don't have equipment or methods to measure) can be a sub optimal choice for audio signal reproduction. All design choices to overoptimize one area/measurement will compromise somewhere else. I actually agree with most of this, apart from the bit in brackets. As to your earlier post, this is a fundamental point. Should a DAC be “sensitive”, or should it be “resolving”? your friendly neighbourhood idiot March Audio 1 Link to comment
idiot_savant Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 @yamamoto2002 I’m teasing you! your friendly neighbourhood idiot yamamoto2002 1 Link to comment
March Audio Posted June 13, 2021 Share Posted June 13, 2021 3 hours ago, idiot_savant said: @manueljenkin I actually agree with most of this, apart from the bit in brackets. As to your earlier post, this is a fundamental point. Should a DAC be “sensitive”, or should it be “resolving”? your friendly neighbourhood idiot Indeed. Whilst there is another forum that seems to focus on a sinad figure, I don't think beyond there many are fixated on such a limited measuring. Link to comment
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