Is it worth it?

[The Computer Audiophile]

This is a community. It takes a community to get things accomplished. If you start a thread and people don’t follow the rules, you need to use the report post feature. In addition, people who start threads can be the moderators of those threads with full mod rights. 
 

Some people only like to complain that things aren’t how they like them, rather than do something about it. 
 

If you want an objective discussion, then work toward that goal and surprisingly you’ll get there. 
 

March Audio’s situation is different. Ever since he joined there have been tons of issues. Before him, we had plenty of objective discussions that didn’t end up worthless. Now, he can’t avoid trouble. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

20 minutes ago, March Audio said:

I can only echo these comments.

 

From recent experience it appears that some posters, who are being highly offensive, are allowed to do this without consequence.

When you can’t get along with others and all of you report 20 posts in an hour, it’s ridiculous. It’s like children who need babysitting. Get over it. Have an adult discussion. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Here’s a novel idea, @March Audio and @fas42 put each other on your ignore lists. You never see eye to eye anyway. This will save everyone from reading pages on nonsense. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, pkane2001 said:

 

If one has to work this hard to get an objective discussion going, then this is just not the place for it. And again, I've tried, probably harder than most, and still failed. Hence my answer to @idiot_savant: it's not worth it. IMHO, IME, and YMMV.

You’ve tried one approach, and that’s to work harder, not smarter. You can be the mod of any of your threads and one-click remove off topic posts. Pretty simple and works very well. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, March Audio said:

Chris, with the greatest of respect can you please explain why PeterST was allowed to be repeatedly highly offensive towards me, repeatedly use ad hominem, call me a wanker and a shit?

 

Has any action been taken against this individual?  His behavior was completely against forum rules and I was was restrained in not reaching in kind.

 

That has nothing whatsoever to do with getting along with others, that's myself being blatantly attacked for posting views that are contrary to a subjectivist bent.

 

I wasn't the one who started this thread, it's clear that others are seeing the same problem.

 

I'm not saying this is the case, but it comes across as the subjectivist area is protected whilst in the objective area some are allowed to do as they please and endlessly argue without objective basis.

You run your own business correct? You ever have employees that need babysitting, that just find ways to eat up your time, the always seem to need you to do something? This is the case with you Alan. Sure, I need to go clean up the thread you mention, but it’s a weekend I’d like to spend with my family, not answering your every complaint. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

Why it doesn't work, is that the objectivists have an agenda - no matter what they actually say, inside they are absolutely certain that the subjectivists are wrong, dead wrong - and they won't back down on that, for anything.

Your a big part of the problem though Frank. You can’t let anything go. If objectivists don’t want you in the discussion, you need to ignore it. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, March Audio said:

I wasn't actually aware of this.  I thought it was something you granted on request, which I think I did in one of the reports I made about PeterST yesterday.

 

Had I known this that thread would worked very well with excellent contributions from several members.

That thread was a shit show. Your request is likely in the pile with all the ported posts of people complaining about the other guy. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, March Audio said:

Chris, with respect that is just not the case.  How am I to blame for other posters behaving on totally unacceptable ways?

 

What PeterST has been doing is completely against forum rules and frankly deserved moderator warnings followed by a ban if it continued.  That level of censure is very much your responsibility and I really don't understand why you didn't, and seemingly haven't, taken action.

Because all of you guys in that thread reported posts and whined about the other people being mean. I’d had enough of it. I can’t spend all my time on stupid stuff. 
 

It’s amazing how some people here do nothing but contribute without getting into pudding matches. Please follow their lead. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

20 minutes ago, March Audio said:

No it isn't Chris and your assertions here are somewhat offensive.

 

It's quite demonstrable that a couple of individuals have gone out of their way to thread crap threads I have been involved with.

 

I think it's up to you to explain why you haven't censured individuals that have been personally offensive and broken forum rules that would get most people permanently banned.

 

I didn't start this thread, it's clear others are seeing the problems.

I haven’t moderated those posts because it’s over and out of my mind for now. The thread is locked. There are bigger fish to fry than doing that at this moment. 
 

 

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

My approach has been to participate at other forums.

And you’ve had such great success on those that you don’t come back, oh wait. 
 

Only kidding. It all depends where people want to talk and with whom. No forum is everything to everyone. 
 

I take the community approach and ask people to moderate themselves and be adults. It doesn’t always work, but it’s the best approach I believe. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, March Audio said:

Sure, thats fine, but dont you think you need to have words with a certain individual to ask him not to continue with that sort of behaviour?  Its clear that some are unable to behave like adults and thats where I'm afraid you have to step in.

 

Anyway, as it appears that I can have control of future threads, if I see this sort of behaviour again I can moderate and stop the protagonist myself so you wont need to get involved.  So to a large extent the problem is solved.

 

Please don’t assume what I have or haven’t done already. 
 

Yes, unfortunately some people can’t be adults. Life is short. There isn’t enough time to waste on stupid stuff. Sometimes it’s best they find a new forum that fits their styles. 
 

Yes, I take a decentralized approach by allowing individuals to moderate their own threads. Understanding each post in context can be a fools errand for someone not heavily involved in a topic. I’ve removed posts only to find out to people have a long history of giving each other hell, and both enjoy it. I’m more of a “state’s rights” kind of guy rather than big federal government (to use a US political example).

 

Please request mod rights and you’ll see how easy it is to hide offending posts. Only the insane continue to waste their own time by continuing to post after each of their posts are removed. If that’s the case, we have another issue, but I only cross bridges when I get to them. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, plissken said:

Other things that have be busy is I'm now teaching Cisco's CCNA 200-301 and that has me tied up evenings after work.

Very cool. I’ve always enjoyed your knowledge when you have time to share. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

38 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

First, it's a fun. Secоnd, I am merely reflecting... 🙃

 

This is not only against the rules of the forum, but against the spirit as well. Trolling brings the entire community down. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, AnotherSpin said:

 

What's wrong with having fun with diversity of human behavior? Or I should cry and run to fill a complain?

 

You may see it as fun and the only other option is to "cry and run to fill (sic) a complaint," but it isn't allowed here. If the below definition is something that pleases you and you feel the need to do it, I suggest you find a new site on which to engage in this behavior. If, on the other hand, there is some miscommunication, please let me know.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet. This is typically done by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog), with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion.[3] This is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or manipulating a political process. Even so, Internet trolling can also be defined as purposefully causing confusion or harm to other users online, for no reason at all.[4]

[The Computer Audiophile]

18 minutes ago, March Audio said:

In an objective forum thread that "understanding" has to be demonstrated to have an actual effect in the audio output (dac/amp/whatever).

 

As I mentioned earlier saying "I hear it therefore it is" counts for nothing.

Yes. The Objective-Fi sub forum exists for this reason. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

16 minutes ago, Summit said:

 

I have no problem with that. It's the lack of showed correlation between what's measured att the output of DAC or amp and actually SQ that's rarely presented objectively in those so called objective threads, IME.

You are free to start such a thread :~)

[The Computer Audiophile]

Hi Guys, please remember to use the report post function for off topic stuff.

[The Computer Audiophile]

@manueljenkin you are now banned from this thread. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

6 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Tried that in another thread in the objectifi-forum where someone could hear differences in CPU load (subjective) and when I offered up a headless, remote controlled, computer that could be place in their setup and cpu load varied without their knowing (objective) a few things happened:

 

1: They were able to just post about tweak after tweak of subjective improvement

2: You called me condescending (also objective 😉)

 

 

I have zero reported posts in the queue, so I can only assume everyone found them OK within the context of the thread. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 minute ago, plissken said:

 

As an active participant in that thread you called me condescending. So you were aware enough for that but not aware enough for someone with 101 unicorn tweaks and the subjective outcomes in the Objective sub-forum.  Which is against the 'rules'.  I didn't know that if it's unreported that it's A-OK then. I'll certainly keep that in mind going forward.

 

 

 

 

I don't read every post. I also have no ay of knowing if within the context of the thread the posts are OK. The world isn't an objective black and white place. Either be part of the solution to the issue you're complaining about, or stop complaining. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Someone just reported a post. Yay! I removed the subjective post that was in the objective forum. That was easy.