Audirvana Studio

[bbosler]

 

46 minutes ago, Christopher Wood said:

Roon lifetime users are hilarious.

 

so some Roon users aren't happy with 1.8. Many Audirvana users are at a minimum unhappy and at an extreme pissed off about Studio including how it handles tags, the interface, subscription versus purchase,, etc. . How is any of that relevant to anything?

 

For many of us the features in Roon that are lacking in Audirvana make it an easy decision to stick with Roon. for me (I pay by the year)

1. the Roon radio feature for discovering new music
2. Roon's integration with HQplayer allowing
   1. excellent processing/upsampling and streaming to an NAA endpoint vs DLNA
   2. use of convolution filters for room correction
3. Roon's ability to stream to many endpoints at once each of which can be under the control of a different user with a different stream or grouped together (this alone is enough for me to stick with Roon as my family uses it often) AS would cost me $140 a year to have 2 users and still limited to one endpoint at a time for each. For me Roon is cheaper
4. I suppose minor, but the goofy Audirvana  search that segregates results into different columns. One it finds in my library, one for Qobuz, and a third for Tidal. I assume another for the HD stream if you have it. I want the results all in one group 

it basically boils down to how you want to use the player and what is important to you. No right or wrong.. it is personal preference

[vicento]

On 5/17/2021 at 5:49 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Damien is aware of this issue. Happens to me on my Mac too. 

i will try this day on my Mac mini M1 with 16G of ram if i get the same problem.

[vicento]

5 hours ago, Saffuria said:

Ok then, I'm ready to pay 80 bucks to have R8brain in Audirvana 3.5. 🙂

does R8brain really better sounding than Sox ?

I really like to see someone speak about sound quality and less to tags.

[One and a half]

6 hours ago, lucretius said:

Only if you let it:

 

 

 

There are also some other check boxes not shown that affect tag writing behavior.

 

 

Agreed. IF you make a change to the metadata in the file with MP3Tag or Tagscanner for example, then open Jriver, it remembers the previous change only not the new changes. Only by deleting the library entry and re-importing will the metadata changes stick. Or you can wait up to 15 minutes for Jriver to recognise the changes.

[pl_svn]

10 hours ago, jtm said:

Yate doesn‘t do the job I am afraid.

 

 

[Saffuria]

2 hours ago, vicento said:

does R8brain really better sounding than Sox ?

In my ears R8brain does a better upsampling than my dacs.

[LowOrbit]

R8Brain was developed for pro studios, has always seemed to deliver high quality results and is a very mature product. I think incorporating this upsampling code was one of Damien's better decisions thus far in Studio.

 

 

[lucretius]

1 hour ago, LowOrbit said:

R8Brain was developed for pro studios, has always seemed to deliver high quality results and is a very mature product. I think incorporating this upsampling code was one of Damien's better decisions thus far in Studio.

 

 

 

The R8brain Pro version SRC is very good  However. the R8brain free version is about equal to SoX.  It's not clear which version of R8brain Damien has employed. (I would assume the latter, since the open source code is available for that.)

 

[LowOrbit]

31 minutes ago, lucretius said:

 

The R8brain Pro version SRC is very good  However. the R8brain free version is about equal to SoX.  It's not clear which version of R8brain Damien has employed. (I would assume the latter, since the open source code is available for that.)

 

Good point. Going with the Free version would seem a little pointless.

[Geoffrey Armstrong]

Well, in any case, Damien’s got us all talking about it 😃

 

My conclusions so far are that…

1/ He should  add opt ins/outs for the Meta-Tag and Audio analysis features. Lossy can obviously throw audio analysis out and this should be fixed too.

2/ He should consider a multi-zone feature, for those who want it.

 

On the positive side, there’s the sound quality, R8Brain and, hey Podcasts (which some Roon users have been requesting for 5 years).

 

So Damien does listen to user requests.

[kerisabe]

Two those who are interested, finally had a chance to sit down and properly compared audirvana 3.5 + optimized el capitan on sd card and AS + “almost” optimized Catalina on sd card, both using upnp out, no upsampling with sys optimizer, wow the new AS sounds denser, thicker, more analog and more musical wasnt expecting that at all, but I feel the music runs a tad faster on the AS? 

[jos]

I have read this on the Audirvana Studio site: 'Audirvāna Studio automatically import your favorites and playlists from the 3.5 version when you first start Audirvana Studio', but it didn't, somehow.

 

So I imported all my 3.5 playlist and some are working and some not. I could fix them, so no problem. However, I can't find my 3.5 favorites. Someone know where I can find them, or how to export/import them?

 

[jos]

My Audirvana Studio is crashing sometimes with an Apple report to conclude, witch I can't read (to technical). After restarting AS starts Analyzing my audio files all over again, and that is a  very lengthy proces as we all know. It's quite disturbing, because I want to finish that process after a long time and leaving my computer on all night.

[Jud]

56 minutes ago, LowOrbit said:

Good point. Going with the Free version would seem a little pointless.

It would seem. I expected nothing much after looking at the comparison. Yet to me, subjectively, Studio with r8brain upsampling sounds better than 3.5 with SoX did. (Haven't done any A/B at all on my main system.  When I first listened to Studio with r8brain I was very happy with it and haven't bothered changing.  It was just "Damn, that sounds better than ever!", and I left it at that.)

[lucretius]

24 minutes ago, Jud said:

It would seem. I expected nothing much after looking at the comparison. Yet to me, subjectively, Studio with r8brain upsampling sounds better than 3.5 with SoX did. (Haven't done any A/B at all on my main system.  When I first listened to Studio with r8brain I was very happy with it and haven't bothered changing.  It was just "Damn, that sounds better than ever!", and I left it at that.)

Would you compare Studio with r8brain to Studio with SoX?

 

On another note:  Since you use HQPlayer, where does 3.5/Studio fit into your playback chain?

 

Thanks in advance.

[matthias]

1 hour ago, Jud said:

Yet to me, subjectively, Studio with r8brain upsampling sounds better than 3.5 with SoX did.

 

Jud,

 

did you compare Studio vs. 3.5 without upsampling?

Thanks

 

Matt

[pl_svn]

1 hour ago, jos said:

'Audirvāna Studio automatically import your favorites and playlists from the 3.5 version when you first start Audirvana Studio', but it didn't

 

right the same as what happened when migrating to 3.5 🙄😡

had to re-create many of mines from scratch, back then, as some exported/imported ones did not work

[Jud]

1 hour ago, lucretius said:

Would you compare Studio with r8brain to Studio with SoX?

 

On another note:  Since you use HQPlayer, where does 3.5/Studio fit into your playback chain?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

I use HQPlayer on Linux and occasionally on Windows. Most of my listening on Windows is with Audirvana. I don't use the two together.

 

I will likely try at some point to compare SoX/Studio to r8brain/Studio, but I have to tell you it's not a priority. 🙂 I'm just quite pleased with the music I'm hearing as it is.  (I do tend to stick with things I like. Had a turntable for 35 years before I changed it; have had the same speaker brand for almost that long, and only upgraded to the next up in the manufacturer's line perhaps 8 years ago because a friend was moving and offered them to me at a great price. My amp and preamp are each 25+ years old. I probably have cables older than some people on the forum.)

[Jud]

40 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

Jud,

 

did you compare Studio vs. 3.5 without upsampling?

Thanks

 

Matt

 

No, that's part of the value of the product for me. For a few dollars, I get the equivalent or better of the internal upsampling in DACs costing tens of thousands.

[kerisabe]

48 minutes ago, matthias said:

 

Jud,

 

did you compare Studio vs. 3.5 without upsampling?

Thanks

 

Matt

 

Matt @matthias, 

 

I did compared the two without any upsampling, and Studio sounds so much more musical/less analytical sounding due to the bloom in the mid and bass area. The timbre playing through Studio is just so much more analog sounding. 

 

For some reason i wasnt a fan of the Audirvana 3.5 upsampling, but with Studio using r8brain it sounds wonderful upsampling to my dac's maximum freg (dac is empirical audio odsx/interchange network renderer), wow just wow, im very happy with the trial version. Great job Damian and the whole Audirvana team. 

[matthias]

13 minutes ago, kerisabe said:

I did compared the two without any upsampling, and Studio sounds so much more musical/less analytical sounding due to the bloom in the mid and bass area. The timbre playing through Studio is just so much more analog sounding. 

 

Thank you for sharing, 

 

I am just wondering why some people on the Audirvana community forum describe this the other way around.

 

Matt

[RunHomeSlow]

Just now, matthias said:

 

Thank you for sharing, 

 

I am just wondering why some people on the Audirvana community forum describe this the other way around.

 

Matt

 

They mostly not complaining about the sound  :)

[kerisabe]

2 minutes ago, RunHomeSlow said:

 

They mostly not complaining about the sound  :)

 

haha! Since I also use Studio strictly for streaming online in the mean time without trying to integrate my offline collection yet. I'm very surprised people kept talking about the bad things and NONE regarding the upgrade in SQ. 

[matthias]

3 minutes ago, RunHomeSlow said:

They mostly not complaining about the sound  :)

 

Some do and find Studio less musical sounding.

 

Matt

[kerisabe]

@RunHomeSlowbtw this is abit of off topic but I saw you are running 10.15.7 OS, and was wondering if you have any success deleting the OS "built-in" apps? I was using a leaned out El Capitan to run Audirvana 3.5 and just recently got another SD Card to be able to compare and separately install another OS to be able to run Studio which is the 10.15.7 (couldnt get High Sierra)