pl_svn Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 @Musicophile Audirvana has always written ReplayGain data to files: should still be all it does 😬 Qnap HS-264 NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a Keces P8 LPS) > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier > First Watt SIT 3 power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III headphones system: Cirrus 7 > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio > Pathos Aurium amplifier (powered by an UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS) > Focal Clear headphones Link to comment
lucretius Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, pl_svn said: Audirvana has always written ReplayGain data to files: should still be all it does 😬 Can that be turned off? mQa is dead! Link to comment
Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, pl_svn said: @Musicophile Audirvana has always written ReplayGain data to files: should still be all it does 😬 But only to albums where I choose to do so. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, lucretius said: Can that be turned off? I wouldn't know how. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Here's what somebody else found (from the Audirvana community forum): "I ran a diff on the backup of my library against the copy Audirvana Studio was running against. This found it had, so far, updated just over 5,000 files (in about 20 hours). And on inspecting and of those changed files directly, and with a non-Audirvana metadata editors, clearly shows the addition of the MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID tag." pl_svn 1 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Jas0_0 Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, RunHomeSlow said: This is clever, but sadly it doesn't really work for me on my 15" MacBook as the pop-out window covers other information. Link to comment
Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Jas0_0 said: This is clever, but sadly it doesn't really work for me on my 15" MacBook as the pop-out window covers other information. Yes, Studio seems to be optimized for large 4K screens, not for laptop use. Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
pl_svn Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Musicophile said: clearly shows the addition of the MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID tag the "Do Not Dare Touching My Files" is among the longest standing, and never listened to, requests for Audirvana 🙄 MemoryPlayer 1 Qnap HS-264 NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a Keces P8 LPS) > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier > First Watt SIT 3 power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III headphones system: Cirrus 7 > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio > Pathos Aurium amplifier (powered by an UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS) > Focal Clear headphones Link to comment
Popular Post fourstrings1891 Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 I have my whole library backed up to a cloud service. If every file is modified now everything is going to to be backed up again. Oh the joy. Torq, Tone Deaf and Musicophile 3 Link to comment
Popular Post Torq Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 It's a deal-killer issue for me. Not withstanding that at that rate of progress, it would take 166+ days to finish processing my library, I just am not willing to have a useless tag addition (no reason it can't live in Audirvana's database) cause my entire library to have to be re-backed up to the cloud. Tone Deaf, MemoryPlayer, lucretius and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment
Popular Post lucretius Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 23 minutes ago, Musicophile said: Here's what somebody else found (from the Audirvana community forum): "I ran a diff on the backup of my library against the copy Audirvana Studio was running against. This found it had, so far, updated just over 5,000 files (in about 20 hours). And on inspecting and of those changed files directly, and with a non-Audirvana metadata editors, clearly shows the addition of the MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID tag." I checked and Studio did not update any of my files. Perhaps I already have certain filetag fields populated and Studio is writing them in for others? E.g. I already had this field populated: MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID tag. Specific examples will help a lot. EDIT: i do have some miscellaneous tracks that did not have the MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID tag previously populated. Studio did indeed update these filetags. Goodbye Studio (at least for now). I will not tolerate any software modifying my music files without my permission. Torq, MemoryPlayer, Musicophile and 1 other 3 1 mQa is dead! Link to comment
Torq Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, lucretius said: My files already have that field populated -- nothing to do with Studio. Mine don't. Only the ones that show updated in the last 20 hours or so. All of those touched have the "MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID" added. lucretius 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 The result of the analysis is to append a MusicBrainz ID to the file so additional metadata MusicBrainz has can be shown when you look at the album - *without* overwriting any of your own metadata or other file information. I can easily understand @Musicophile's reluctance to have additional information cluttering the carefully curated metadata for his 100k+ tracks, a good chunk of them classical. For my own part, I would like to see whether this would be recognized as a difference by my backup program and result in new uploads of those files. I haven't tested yet. (If so, I wonder if there's a way to tell various backup apps to ignore these changes?) One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jud said: The result of the analysis is to append a MusicBrainz ID to the file so additional metadata MusicBrainz has can be shown when you look at the album - *without* overwriting any of your own metadata or other file information. I can easily understand @Musicophile's reluctance to have additional information cluttering the carefully curated metadata for his 100k+ tracks, a good chunk of them classical. For my own part, I would like to see whether this would be recognized as a difference by my backup program and result in new uploads of those files. I haven't tested yet. (If so, I wonder if there's a way to tell various backup apps to ignore these changes?) I agree the metadata changes are probably mostly harmless, but a) it will create days if not weeks of unnecessary CPU usage b) as others have said it will trigger a re-backup and c) it really doesn't provide any added value. This has to be an opt-in function, not a default. MemoryPlayer and lucretius 1 1 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Popular Post lucretius Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jud said: The result of the analysis is to append a MusicBrainz ID to the file so additional metadata MusicBrainz has can be shown when you look at the album - *without* overwriting any of your own metadata or other file information. I can easily understand @Musicophile's reluctance to have additional information cluttering the carefully curated metadata for his 100k+ tracks, a good chunk of them classical. For my own part, I would like to see whether this would be recognized as a difference by my backup program and result in new uploads of those files. I haven't tested yet. (If so, I wonder if there's a way to tell various backup apps to ignore these changes?) It's a deal breaker for me. I populate the MusicBrainz ID field myself via Musicbrainz Picard and my careful selection, etc. I will not tolerate any software modifying my music files without my permission. fourstrings1891, Musicophile, WAM and 2 others 4 1 mQa is dead! Link to comment
Torq Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jud said: For my own part, I would like to see whether this would be recognized as a difference by my backup program and result in new uploads of those files. I haven't tested yet. (If so, I wonder if there's a way to tell various backup apps to ignore these changes?) It will. If you're lucky, and your backup solution is smart enough, it may only backup the changed blocks rather than the entire file, but it'll be backing up something for every touched file. File backup systems generally aren't built to be conditional on what has changed, beyond block-level change-detection and deduplication. lucretius 1 Link to comment
Jud Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Torq said: It will. If you're lucky, and your backup solution is smart enough, it may only backup the changed blocks rather than the entire file, but it'll be backing up something for every touched file. File backup systems generally aren't built to be conditional on what has changed, beyond block-level change-detection and deduplication. Would you happen to know if there are ways to ignore this particular change in rclone and Chronosync, the two backup apps I use most often? Otherwise I can ask on forums or customer support. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Torq Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jud said: Would you happen to know if there are ways to ignore this particular change in rclone and Chronosync, the two backup apps I use most often? Not "out of the box". It might be possible to use the "External Script" rule-type in Chronosync's inclusion/exclusion rules (Rules | Advanced) to do it, but there would be limitations. Mostly because your custom script can't see the existing backed-up file to do a comparison against. Which means all you could do is, for example, say "exclude if this tag is present", rather than "exclude if this tag was newly added", and even then it's fiddly and involved to do. Link to comment
jimdukey Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Anything AV changes will just be the copies loaded into AV. Is it changing the original files? Link to comment
Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Jud said: Would you happen to know if there are ways to ignore this particular change in rclone and Chronosync, the two backup apps I use most often? Otherwise I can ask on forums or customer support. I'm just running my regular backup with CCC. And every single file that Studio modified is being backed up. Jud 1 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Popular Post Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, jimdukey said: Is it changing the original files? Unfortunately yes. And there's currently no way to stop it. lucretius and MemoryPlayer 1 1 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Jud Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, Musicophile said: I'm just running my regular backup with CCC. And every single file that Studio modified is being backed up. Because I don't have the number of files you do, I'm not concerned about local backup. If a TB of my files are backed up to the cloud, that means an extra charge from my ISP, unless I hold off to the end of a month so about half goes in one month and about half in the next. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Musicophile Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jud said: Because I don't have the number of files you do, I'm not concerned about local backup. If a TB of my files are backed up to the cloud, that means an extra charge from my ISP, unless I hold off to the end of a month so about half goes in one month and about half in the next. I don't even have a cloud backup of my music library. With my internet speed, it would take months. Jud and lucretius 2 Check out my blog at musicophilesblog.com - From Keith Jarrett to Johannes Brahms Link to comment
Popular Post Torq Posted May 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 17, 2021 14 minutes ago, jimdukey said: Is it changing the original files? Yes. It adds a "MUSICBRAINZ_TRACKID" tag to each file. lucretius and Musicophile 2 Link to comment
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