Popular Post MemoryPlayer Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 Good bye Audirvana, HQPlayer ONLY from now on! I was using only as library management, so the last version is fine for that. Has 3 years that I listen to only HQPlayer that sounds way better. mesonto, lucretius and pl_svn 3 Link to comment
Popular Post idesign Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, MemoryPlayer said: Good bye Audirvana, HQPlayer ONLY from now on! One of the reasons I stayed with Audrivana+ was because of its license model and AFP support. However, with it moving to annual subscription I am taking a hard look at moving back to HQPlayer and perhaps Roon. At the time I wasn’t utilizing all of Roon’s features to justify the annual price of admission but in my opinion it has a far better UI and more finesse. I see no reason at all to stay with Audirvana+. I empathize with the business reasons to adopt a subscription model for software development but they may have given up their single best advantage and differentiator. Giacomino, Zakus and lucretius 2 1 Link to comment
dgilz Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I’ve been using Audirvana since its beginnings. At first I needed some simple player able to play both flac and alac files. It was almost 10 years ago. I went on with audirvana because it sounds good and still has this versatile use with everything fitting in : streaming, local files of whatever type, etc. I tried roon, didn’t see any improvement over audirvana worth the price. Now, the choice with going on with audirvana is about sound quality with the new version. Will SQ get better with the new version ? Will I need to keep on susbcribing to use it ? Is it useless if I stop paying ? Or just limited like not offering streaming or unable to add tracks ? Do plugins and room correction still feature in the new version ? I’m a bit cautious and waiting for many feedbacks to know what the new version features and limitations will be compared for its new pricing. Will it still deliver the same services for these 70€ per year ? jos 1 Mac Mini server running Audirvana+ SOtM SMS-200 neo ultra w/ external clock output linked to a tX-USBhubEX SOtM SPS-500 powering both streamer and USB reclocker with Ghent Audio Y DC cable Wyred4Sound DAC2DSDse w/femto clock Audia flight FL TWO B&W CM10S2 Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 52 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I know this might rub people the wrong way, but I believe most software should’ve been via subscription long ago. Subscriptions strike a balance between the consumer and developer. A one time cost places risk on both parties. If consumers don’t like it after they’ve paid or want to switch to a new app, they’ve already paid a large one time cost. If consumers keep using the software for many years, it becomes a liability for the developer. To keep updating and supporting an app that no longer brings in income, is a tough one. Software requires constant work from developers. Even when one thinks an app is all good, he can’t control hardware and software changes by third parties. The cost of anything can be looked at as a monthly cost for comparison sake. It would be interesting to see what people have paid for Audirvana over the years with upgrade cost etc… and divide that by how many months it was used. It could be higher or lower than the current offering. I don’t know. Either way, it’s a model that the developer has decided doesn’t work for him. Yet another factor repeatedly mentioned in the intro video on Facebook is that a once and done model for a particular software version presents the developer with a decision about when to introduce improvements. Should the improvement be released immediately as a minor version bump at no cost, or should it be held to be released later as part of a new major version package? With a subscription model there is no such decision - any and all improvements can be released immediately. It seems like it is more in tune with the rapid pace of software and hardware improvement generally these days to be able to release improvements to a particular piece of software continuously. The Computer Audiophile, AudioDoctor, jos and 1 other 4 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Jud Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 4 hours ago, jhwalker said: Pretty brutal reaction on the Facebook livestream to the "subscription only" model :/ Heh, the comments were brutal in general, ranging from inaccurate (there was a comment 3.5 had not been upgraded at all in many months, not true) to ridiculous (comments that people would not purchase without a live demo during the video, when a month's free trial is being offered that will obviously tell you more about how the software works for you than watching someone else run it on video for 5 minutes). One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post mevdinc Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 I am personally very disappointed with the subscription only model. Why would anyone prefer Audirvana over Roon which does offer lifetime purchase plus HQP integration? I can understand the need for introducing a subscription model, but having it as the only option is a very bad strategy and this will encourage a lot people either to leave Audirvana or just stay with 3.5 for as long as possible. Giacomino and lucretius 2 mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, mevdinc said: I am personally very disappointed with the subscription only model. Why would anyone prefer Audirvana over Roon which does offer lifetime purchase plus HQP integration? I can understand the need for introducing a subscription model, but having it as the only option is a very bad strategy and this will encourage a lot people either to leave Audirvana or just stay with 3.5 for as long as possible. Roon lifetime $500. HQPlayer license $245. That's about 11 years' subscription for those upgrading from 3.5, several years longer if HQPlayer undergoes a version upgrade in the next 11 years (reasonable possibility). And if Roon eliminates the lifetime subscription (which most products do after an initial period to build up capital), Audirvana is always less. jos, cpvniii and Da Horsey 2 1 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post JoeWhip Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 Personally, I have no issue with the subscription model. It really isn’t that much. I have been using A+ since about 2013 and have really enjoyed it. I really don’t stream much and use it to play my local files. I will check out the trial version for a month. If it sounds better, I am in. The SQ is all that interests me. Jud and Da Horsey 2 Link to comment
Account Closed Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 44 minutes ago, JoeWhip said: Personally, I have no issue with the subscription model. It really isn’t that much. I have been using A+ since about 2013 and have really enjoyed it. I really don’t stream much and use it to play my local files. I will check out the trial version for a month. If it sounds better, I am in. The SQ is all that interests me. With the Kernel Streaming option for Win 10 users it may sound very good but as I remember from my JPlay days it was very difficult to get working and keep working. Hopefully they have that ironed out. I don't know about the Mac OS version. Please let us know what you think. Link to comment
Account Closed Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, Jud said: Roon lifetime $500. HQPlayer license $245. That's about 11 years' subscription for those upgrading from 3.5, several years longer if HQPlayer undergoes a version upgrade in the next 11 years (reasonable possibility). And if Roon eliminates the lifetime subscription (which most products do after an initial period to build up capital), Audirvana is always less. I think Roon/HQP remains the gold standard and will cost more gold as well. :) Da Horsey 1 Link to comment
Serpieri Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Still hoping for Shuffle by Albumn. Link to comment
Popular Post AnimalonDrums Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 Roon lifetime is $700 now 😁 Da Horsey and jos 2 Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, bobflood said: I think Roon/HQP remains the gold standard and will cost more gold as well. :) De gustibus non disputandum est. Everyone should listen to what he or she likes best. I would have HQP for playing on Linux in any case. Roon on the other hand I have tried and found its information about tracks and other music I might like to mostly duplicate what I already knew, so I'm not interested in purchasing/subscribing. I fully understand many people would not be without it. jos, AudioDoctor and mesonto 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post Jud Posted May 9, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 Something I'm quite interested in is the capability of playing radio stations. Yes, I have satellite radio with a large number of channels, but each concentrates on a relatively narrow genre and so is not so great for discovering interesting new/unknown music outside that narrow genre. I miss radio stations where I used to live that were excellent for this sort of thing (or just enjoying listening to music), such as XPN, the University of Pennsylvania station. And depending on the sound quality, it might remove the need for an FM tuner. 4est, AudioDoctor and The Computer Audiophile 3 One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted May 9, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2021 It would be great if Audirvana Studio supports Radio Paradise. airdronian and AudioDoctor 2 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
airdronian Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 The radio stations have been requested for years on the Audirvana forum, so that is a welcome addition. The kernel streaming option will be interesting to check out, and I couldn't hear the name on the recording but there is also a second upsampler being added besides SOX, fwiw. There's been so many negative comments regarding the new subscription model; I can't wait to demo this and see what's new. I don't mind a reasonable cost attached if it brings value. I still have the emails from some site called Computer Audiophile about thread updates for the new OSX audiophile player Audirvana, back in 2011. 🙂 Jud 1 Link to comment
Popular Post Mark Labbett Posted May 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2021 Foobar Kernel streaming works flawlessly as does Jriver and there is no difference in sound quality when your system is set up correctly. is this some new kernel streaming? I for one will have nothing to do with these snake oil programs. szczemirek and lucretius 2 Link to comment
Jud Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, airdronian said: The radio stations have been requested for years on the Audirvana forum, so that is a welcome addition. The kernel streaming option will be interesting to check out, and I couldn't hear the name on the recording but there is also a second upsampler being added besides SOX, fwiw. r8brain. One never knows, do one? - Fats Waller The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. - Einstein Computer, Audirvana -> optical Ethernet to Fitlet3 -> Fibbr Alpha Optical USB -> iFi NEO iDSD DAC -> Apollon Audio 1ET400A Mini (Purifi based) -> Vandersteen 3A Signature. Link to comment
Gonzbull Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Gilles said: I have a 2011 MacBook Pro running A3.5 and High Sierra, can't run a more recent OS on this computer. I listened to the Facebook Live and did not hear how long they will support 3.5 and which is the oldest OS they will support. Audirvana's website has also not been updated with their new offering. Does anyone has a clue? i've got a 2009 MBP running Catalina.Its pretty straightforward with a software programme that does it all for you. Link to comment
Popular Post pl_svn Posted May 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 10, 2021 15 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: A SERVICE NOW ONLY OFFERED BY SUBSCRIPTION Audirvāna Studio will now only be offered as a subscription service at a price of for US$69.99 per year, or US$6.99 per month(1), and with no commitment. This will significantly lower the access price to the software sorry... nope! 100$ (I'm rounding it up) every two or three years is "significantly" less than 70$/year this "subscriptions are at user's convenience" BS is... well... just BS 😛 hope, at least, there will also be a lifetime option (as in Roon) or my Audirvana journey ends here (actually... it already ended five years ago, when I subscribed Roon lifetime. only been using Audirvana, since, as an emergency backup or, on my laptop, when away from home) this new version looks to me as a poor man's Roon, sorry 😶 Zakus and lucretius 1 1 Qnap HS-264 NAS (powered by an HD-Plex 100w LPS) > Cirrus7 Nimbini v2.5 Media Edition i7-8559U/32/512 running Roon ROCK (powered by a Keces P8 LPS) > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio NOS digital preamplifier > First Watt SIT 3 power amplifier (or Don Garber Fi "Y" 6922 tube preamplifier + Don Garber Fi "X" 2A3 SET power amplifier, both powered from an Alpha-Core BP-30 Isolated Symmetrical Power Transformer) > Klipsch Cornwall III headphones system: Cirrus 7 > Lumin U2 > Metrum Acoustics Adagio > Pathos Aurium amplifier (powered by an UpTone Audio JS-2 LPS) > Focal Clear headphones Link to comment
jos Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 13 hours ago, Russell_L said: Will it have the ability to have multiple libraries (NOT using them at the same time)? In iTunes/Apple Music, there’s an option to select which library you want to use upon launch of the app. AFAIK, you can’t do this with 3.5 (not easily, at least) and it would be great if this feature were in Studio. Pure Music in combination with Apple Music is also coming out with a new version. Although I love Audirvana, it can be a replacement for Audirvana users price wise. Link to comment
jos Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 hours ago, pl_svn said: sorry... nope! 100$ (I'm rounding it up) every two or three years is "significantly" less than 70$/year this "subscriptions are at user's convenience" BS is... well... just BS 😛 hope, at least, there will also be a lifetime option (as in Roon) or my Audirvana journey ends here (actually... it already ended five years ago, when I subscribed Roon lifetime. only been using Audirvana, since, as an emergency backup or, on my laptop, when away from home) this new version looks to me as a poor man's Roon, sorry 😶 I can understand the subscription yearly/monthly, but a price just below the 50/5 euro would be a far better starting point, because we not very sure about the new and upgraded quality’s and Audirvana’s price was always a good selling point. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 hours ago, pl_svn said: sorry... nope! This is a touch comical coming from a guy who already said nope years ago (not sure what’s left to say nope to) and who pays a subscription for Roon. As you were. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, jos said: I can understand the subscription yearly/monthly, but a price just below the 50/5 euro would be a far better starting point, because we not very sure about the new and upgraded quality’s and Audirvana’s price was always a good selling point. I have a feeling that a price of 50 would’ve had people saying a price of 30 would be a better starting point. 😁 mesonto 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
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