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14 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

A guy can only do so much :~)

But given that you did so much already~

Why no DSD1024?

 

You even mentioned it in the intro ;-) HQPlayer might not be able to output the full deal modulators at DSD512 or DSD1024 on any PC yet, but there are a lot of options to scale down the processing requirements while still outputting a DSD512 or 1024 feed. With Jussi at your

 

You did say you took it to DSD256 with the EC modulators, then over to PCM at 1500k. Does that mean you went on up with DSD rates, but didn't like it? That'd be odd for you to skip saying if so. 

 

Thanks for the review. As another guy said, you've got an engaging writing style with a different focus than average. What did you find out about Denafrips' team's back story? Man, too many questions. 

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15 minutes ago, ted_b said:

For much cheaper but tasty mint julips there are Isoacoustic Orea footers.  Although I can't vouch for them I have friends whose ears I respect that can.

Isoacoustics also has an even cheaper model called the Iso-puck. It's less blingy than the Oreas and made for the pro audio market, but as far as I can tell, they're coming from the same approach.

 

I've got a set in my cart now that I'm hoping to pull the trigger on once I've got my rack put back together. 

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26 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Hi Ben, enough with the questions. ONLY JOKING :~) I encourage everyone to always ask whatever they wish. I'm a hard person to offend. 

 

A couple things to note.

 

1. I do my best to write as accessibly as possible. This often means keeping the testing and overly technical discussions in check. I see front page articles as items for everyone and forum conversations as the place for all the nitty gritty details. This is just my style. 

 

2. After researching DSD options using my own ears and expertise from people like Jussi, I opted for DSD256 only because I believe the EC modulators are more important than a higher rate right now. Eventually we'll have the best of both worlds with EC and higher rates. I really liked DSD256 and EC modulators with the Terminator. I just liked PCM better. This of course is relevant only to my ears on my system. I'm sure others will find the opposite. But, this is the cool thing about external software upsampling. The flexibility to do what one likes is undeniable. 

1. I am not going to disagree with you on this point, but I will laugh a little because there were many technical points across your whole article. And also because, this is AS, it is quite well known for getting deeeeeeep into things. Don't reign it back too much, it's part of the sparkle~

 

2. Thanks, gotcha. At least with the T+A DAC 8 DSD, DSD512 sounds different and better than DSD256, but still sad about those high-end modulators. I don't know what the workaround will be, CPUs have been pretty much capped @5.2GHz on 2 cores for a couple years now ☹️

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31 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

This literally just showed up on my doorstep 5 minutes ago :~)

 

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And in case anyone else had completely no idea about the Terminator II, here are the details from 2 months ago from Alvin over on Head-fi:

 

Overview:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/denafrips-terminator-the-king-of-r2r-dac.851085/page-50#post-16171049

The Terminator II DAC, is a trickle down of the Terminator-Plus DAC.

 

Improvements of the Terminator II over the Terminator:

- Total segregation of Digital Signal Processing and R-2R Network Arrays (Analog) boards

- Oven-Controlled Crystal Oscillators replace the TCXO clocks

- High-speed Digital Isolation. The silicon-dioxide (SiO2 ) isolation barrier with isolated power supply effective isolate the ground and block the noise from one end to the other

- Redesigned Power Supply Unit (encapsulated underneath the DAC boards)

- Supercapacitors for Digital & Analogue circuitry for high energy storage to ensure supply of constant cleaned DC power to the circuitry

- Clock Out eco-system to sync with DENAFRIPS DDC, and future DENAFRIPS components

 

Compared to the Terminator Plus:

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/denafrips-terminator-the-king-of-r2r-dac.851085/page-50#post-16172942

The Terminator Plus featuring premier, precision Oven Controlled Crystal Oscillators.

The OCXOs are hand-crafted, calibrated, and hand-picked for absolute lowest jitter. The two independent OCXOs cater for native 44.1kHz and 48kHz based audio frequency family.

 

Take a closer look of the DENAFRIPS Terminator Plus R-2R DAC!

https://www.denafrips.com/single-post/terminator-plus-unboxing

 

 

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My guesses:

- It's the same price as the original/outgoing Terminator.

- It's replacing the updated Terminator that was being sold with the new DSP board, aka, the DAC in Chris's review. 

- Maybes~

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11 hours ago, cazone said:

This Terminator 1.2 sounds great. And yes, this dac is sensitive to footers. 

I did a lot of experiments with diy footers. My favorite is a pumice stone brass plate mix.

 

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My only complaint may be this contant evolution of new models coming out making it not very clear for a customer. 

1. Interesting choice on footers. The designer behind Bocchino Audio also like an air pocket stone like you showed, but his is vesicular basalt. You're probably onto something there 🙂

 

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Denafrips product release timeline:

 

Denafrips Terminator 1.0

- Released 2017 Q2/3

 

Denafrips Terminator 1 DSP upgrade (T1.1)

- Released 2019 Q3

 

Denafrips Terminator Plus

- Released 2020 Q3

 

Denafrips Terminator 2.0

- Released 2021 Q1

 

When it's laid out like that, it looks really reasonable. And the T1.0 -> T1.1 was a user replaceable part, for a very modest price. 

 

I like what Denafrips and Alvin are doing with that a lot. Even over on the Head-fi thread, there are several owners who went to but T1.1s earlier this year, but we're notified of the T2.0 and got to order it pending they didn't share the info. The T2.0 was release back in early February. 

 

I'm not crapping on your feelings, I just thing maybe people don't realize how long the Terminator line has been on the market now. 

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