Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 5 hours ago, happybob said: ZB, I just now read about the PGGB-RT and this is exciting! That said, I use a Mac and know that this is not supported now, but wondering if there's a possible path to the RT version on a Mac at some point or are there aspects to this (of course including Foobar) that are limited to Windows only? Thanks - and I love my offline PGGB! The SDK can be used on Mac/Windows/Linux, though current implementation is on Foobar/Windows, Mac implementation in the future is possible (and currently being worked on), I can't proved ETA or any details for now. happybob 1 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 3 hours ago, HeeBroG said: Hi ZB. Are you also working on a way to make "off line" DSD conversion to PGGB less memory intensive? No, I have optimized it to the extent I can but if I find anything I can do to improve it further I will. HeeBroG 1 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
No Quarter Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 Hello ZB, you may remember me as Tony, we emailed back and forth a few months back , you and Nick even converted some music for me to try. Last you heard I was going to get myself a more powerful computer to do my own conversion. Many things have changed since then, I had to do some car repairs, and I ended up trading in all my Chord gear to finance a speaker upgrade. I now am using my Cheap Laptop into a Musical Fidelity MX DAC until I can afford a better DAC. I have been reading this forum still, and I am wondering if it is even worth going down the PGGB route with my current DAC, it only plays up to 32 bit/192 KHz. Also, I was going to buy a J river licence, but is Foobar 2000 now better suited to using your software? Thanks Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, No Quarter said: Hello ZB, you may remember me as Tony, we emailed back and forth a few months back , you and Nick even converted some music for me to try. Last you heard I was going to get myself a more powerful computer to do my own conversion. Many things have changed since then, I had to do some car repairs, and I ended up trading in all my Chord gear to finance a speaker upgrade. I now am using my Cheap Laptop into a Musical Fidelity MX DAC until I can afford a better DAC. I have been reading this forum still, and I am wondering if it is even worth going down the PGGB route with my current DAC, it only plays up to 32 bit/192 KHz. Also, I was going to buy a J river licence, but is Foobar 2000 now better suited to using your software? Thanks It is hard to say if your DAC will benefit, but it is easy enough to try the foobar PGGB-RT component and upsample to 192kHz. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
No Quarter Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: It is hard to say if your DAC will benefit, but it is easy enough to try the foobar PGGB-RT component and upsample to 192kHz. Is that part of the free trial?,which I never ended up getting if you remember, because you concluded my laptop was too under powered. Is there anyone using a computer as their server to output PGGB files, or is everyone using dedicated servers? Since I am kind of starting with a clean slate, I wonder what my best path will ultimately be. I still like the idea of the M1 Mac mini.😉 Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 7 hours ago, No Quarter said: Is that part of the free trial?,which I never ended up getting if you remember, because you concluded my laptop was too under powered. Is there anyone using a computer as their server to output PGGB files, or is everyone using dedicated servers? Since I am kind of starting with a clean slate, I wonder what my best path will ultimately be. I still like the idea of the M1 Mac mini.😉 PGGB-RT for foobar2000 (foo-RT) is different from PGGB Offline you tried earlier, PGGB-RT is light weight (i.e less processor and memory intensive), trial never expires, it always lets you use up to 2M taps but for anything more the playback stops after 90 seconds. This is windows only version and installed as a foobar component for near real-time upsampling. Since your DAC can only go up to 192kHz, even memory requirements will be quite low so 4-8GB RAM should be fine too. PGGB.IT! V2.2 is an app that will let you turn the PGGB-RT into offline tool (i.e, lets you create upsampled files). PGGB-RT does not do DSD to PCM conversion and is also limited in the maximum number of taps to 1B. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
No Quarter Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: 8 hours ago, No Quarter said: PGGB-RT for foobar2000 (foo-RT) is different from PGGB Offline you tried earlier, PGGB-RT is light weight (i.e less processor and memory intensive), trial never expires, it always lets you use up to 2M taps but for anything more the playback stops after 90 seconds. This is windows only version and installed as a foobar component for near real-time upsampling. Since your DAC can only go up to 192kHz, even memory requirements will be quite low so 4-8GB RAM should be fine too. PGGB.IT! V2.2 is an app that will let you turn the PGGB-RT into offline tool (i.e, lets you create upsampled files). PGGB-RT does not do DSD to PCM conversion and is also limited in the maximum number of taps to 1B. Thanks for that information ZB, lots of reading for me to do. Link to comment
Popular Post austinpop Posted September 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 24, 2021 For those looking for more clarity on how (and why) to use the combine.json feature, here's an example album I just ran into. https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/gustav-mahler-symphony-no7-chicago-symphony-orchestra-claudio-abbado/0002894455132?qref=dpa While this symphony has 5 actual movements, the CD is indexed into 21 "tracks." To coalesce these back into the 5 actual movements, thus allowing longer tap length filters to be used by PGGB, you would create a combine.json file with a single line (below) and place it in the album folder prior to processing with PGGB. ["1:8", "9:12", "13:15", "16:17", "18:21"] HeeBroG, Zaphod Beeblebrox, NanoSword and 1 other 4 My Audio Setup Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Does PGGB support mono? Was converting music last night and on the HDTracks 96/24 version of the album "Best of the Righteous Brothers", track 9, 09-Little Latin Lupe Lu, PGGB gave an index exceeded error and skipped the track. Only thing different was that the track was mono, not stereo, track path length was shorter than other names in the album that did convert. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, davide256 said: Does PGGB support mono? Was converting music last night and on the HDTracks 96/24 version of the album "Best of the Righteous Brothers", track 9, 09-Little Latin Lupe Lu, PGGB gave an index exceeded error and skipped the track. Only thing different was that the track was mono, not stereo, track path length was shorter than other names in the album that did convert. That is correct, PGGB does not support mono track, you are the first to request it, I will add support in the next release. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
davide256 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: That is correct, PGGB does not support mono track, you are the first to request it, I will add support in the next release. 1960's and earlier music is sure to present more (Elvis, Beatles, Frank Sinatra, historic opera performances etc) Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
davide256 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Wondering if anyone has found a good wavpack player solution for768/705 files? Neither Roon or Stylus support wavpack and I am not fond of HQPlayer or its add ons as a media server application. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
bogi Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 foobar2000 for wavpack with PCM content. HQPlayer for both PCM and DSD content. Do you have a special reason not to convert to FLAC? EDIT: JRiver with added plugin for both PCM and DSD too. i7 11850H + RTX A2000 Win11 HQPlayer ► Topping HS02 ► 2x iFi iSilencer ► SMSL D300 ► DIY headamp DHA1 ► HiFiMan HE-500 Link to comment
davide256 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, bogi said: foobar2000 for wavpack with PCM content. HQPlayer for both PCM and DSD content. Do you have a special reason not to convert to FLAC? EDIT: JRiver with added plugin for both PCM and DSD too. FLAC does not support 705/768. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Though I have not tried it myself, I think Audirvana supports Wavpack for PCM too. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Miska Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 3 hours ago, davide256 said: FLAC does not support 705/768. FLAC is max 384k and max 24-bit. Signalyst - Developer of HQPlayer Pulse & Fidelity - Software Defined Amplifiers Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Miska said: FLAC is max 384k and max 24-bit. Technically up to 65,535Hz to be pedantic, and up to 32bits (but 32bit encoder does not exist even though FLAC supports it) Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Popular Post seeteeyou Posted October 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 4, 2021 https://www.musicpd.org/download.html https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31763 https://www.daangemist.nl/run-mpd-as-windows-service/ https://chriswarrick.com/blog/2013/09/01/mpd-on-windows/ https://blog.desdelinux.net/en/music-player-daemon-configuracion-simple-y-algunos-usos-extra/ Rigelian – The easiest way to control your MPD or Kodi player from your iPhone, iPad and Mac https://www.rigelian.net https://apps.apple.com/us/app/rigelian/id1363775934 MAFA – MPD client for Android™ https://mafa.indi.software https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=software.indi.android.mpd MPD (since version 0.14) should be the best bet for WavPack https://raw.githubusercontent.com/MusicPlayerDaemon/MPD/master/NEWS ver 0.14 (2008/12/25) * decoders: - ffmpeg: new plugin - wavpack: new plugin https://www.snakeoil-os.net/forums/Thread-Another-year-passed-what-control-are-you-using?pid=3893#pid3893 Quote To me, MPD with NFS produces the best sound. uPnp can't produces such sound. But sadly there are some players accept upnp rather then NFS, as upnp it is supported widely in streaming and OPENHome. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/cx-ex-k-s-antipodes-owners-unite.932942/page-32#post-16336104 Quote However I, and now a few others, have been finding that we prefer the sound quality of different players and in particular MPD (Music Player Daemon) in preference to the HQP method. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/cx-ex-k-s-antipodes-owners-unite.932942/page-34#post-16343428 Quote That can surely only be because you have not tried MPD in comparison for sound quality using it to play PGGB processed albums. In my system, my ears YMMV etc etc it throws a stark light on the shortcomings of using HQP for PGGB playback and highlights even more the SQ shortcomings of Roon. 🤪 https://www.head-fi.org/threads/cx-ex-k-s-antipodes-owners-unite.932942/page-46#post-16466560 Quote You will need to use an MPD (not upnp) controller such as Rigelian to control direct play MPD. For PGGB files stored on your server it is the best sonics I have found. Beats out HQPlayer and Squeeze imho. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/cx-ex-k-s-antipodes-owners-unite.932942/page-46#post-16466931 Quote Thanks for that. Easy as heck to get this running. I already had 8player on my iPhone so it was easy to get music playing. Bloody hell this sounds great. Yeah I know @Triode User told me so, but I can occasionally be stubborn. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/pggb-offline-remastering.958100/page-5#post-16539585 Quote MPD 0.22.4 on my Antipodes EX ver 2.8 controlled by Rigelian has the best playback quality for PGGB files I have been able to find. kennyb123, davide256 and Zaphod Beeblebrox 3 Link to comment
davide256 Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 @seeteeyou I think the threads on windows are dated, the install package is now a .exe package. Will give it a whirl tonite. Need to figure out for Euphony install if it can be added, I think it is a part of Audio-Linux install. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
beautiful music Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 On 10/3/2021 at 7:17 PM, bogi said: foobar2000 for wavpack with PCM content. HQPlayer for both PCM and DSD content. Do you have a special reason not to convert to FLAC? EDIT: JRiver with added plugin for both PCM and DSD too. Can you post the link of where can we download the JRiver plugin? Link to comment
bogi Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, beautiful music said: Can you post the link of where can we download the JRiver plugin? from https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WavPack: Since MC 14.0.61, a WavPack plugin has been included with the program. WavPack plug-ins for old versions are available from the mcplugins SourceForge page (both MC11 and MC12). Version 1 of the encoder and input plug-ins is for MC11, and version 2 is for MC12. I am not using it with JRiver, I only found that it is supported. beautiful music 1 i7 11850H + RTX A2000 Win11 HQPlayer ► Topping HS02 ► 2x iFi iSilencer ► SMSL D300 ► DIY headamp DHA1 ► HiFiMan HE-500 Link to comment
cat6man Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 has anyone used this with 1) a totalDAC (which are limited to 24/192)? 2) for equalizing stax headphones? Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 10 hours ago, cat6man said: has anyone used this with 1) a totalDAC (which are limited to 24/192)? 2) for equalizing stax headphones? 1. I am not aware of anyone who has tried this. The memory requirements for low sample rates are quite low so it should be easy for you to try on a PC even ith 16GB or 8GB RAM. 2. If you have a EQ profile in mind I can help you with this. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted October 11, 2021 Share Posted October 11, 2021 On 8/8/2021 at 11:01 AM, Vee said: Hopefully not off topic, but for those of us looking to apply a best match profile for streaming Qobuz... is there a set of equivalent filters in HQP that can be applied to mimic PGGB? I will be trying PGGB for my offline files too. Strangely your Post just appeared, I don't think there is a equivalent filter (apples to apples), but perhaps you can try Sinc-M or Sinc-L on HQP and for samplerate in excess of 8fS, LNS15 for noise shaping Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
cat6man Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 On 10/9/2021 at 9:31 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: 1. I am not aware of anyone who has tried this. The memory requirements for low sample rates are quite low so it should be easy for you to try on a PC even ith 16GB or 8GB RAM. 2. If you have a EQ profile in mind I can help you with this. thanks for the offer. i'm going to try to get things to run in linux under wine to check out upsampling to 192k and also to equalize stax-009 headphones. if i fail to get the software to run in linux, i'll take you up on the offer of help with processing a few files. Link to comment
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