Popular Post Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 12, 2021 30 minutes ago, Peti said: Soon I will start to PGGB treat some albums to be listened on my main headphone rig that entails a Chord Mojo dac. In that case I should set 32 bits 768000hz Yes that is correct, set it to 32bits, 705/768k 30 minutes ago, Peti said: I am using not the newest version of this software but the one before and I seldom mess with the filter, etc. settings. Not sure if I can get my hands on the newest rendition of this software while on my trial period...? You can just download and reinstall over current version, trial period lets you upgrade to new version 30 minutes ago, Peti said: Also, as an audio OCD, I keep thinking about how to make my system to sound even better, and the thought occurred to me, that what if I first treated an album with the PGGB 32/3072 setting for maximum results and then run the same file again in PGGB, but this time at the 32/768 setting for the Chord Mojo? We have done some similar experiments with multi-step conversions. This leads to a denser presentation, but comes with a loss of transparency/resolution. I would suggest not doing that. If you wanted a slightly dense presentation, choose Moderate or Dense instead of the default 'Transparent' setting under Presentation. Though I doubt you will need this as Mojo is warmer sounding to begin with. 30 minutes ago, Peti said: One suggestion: when doing the 24/192 conversions I set flac as the output file format and it'd be useful if one could set the compression level of it. I believe there are options from 0 to 8, zero being practically uncompressed. I would use setting 8, to save even more space. I do not have control over this because the underlying API for FLAC is not exposed to me by Matlab. I could call FLAC directly but that would add additional complexity to the UI. Also Increased compression comes at the cost of increased processing during playback that could have an impact on SQ. NanoSword and Peti 2 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
HeeBroG Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 @Zaphod Beeblebrox Hi ZB, When combining tracks in a live album with say 3min tracks over 30mins duration; Each track at 3min would be about 128M taps. Whilst if combining the 10 tracks of 3min each would yield 1280M taps overall. Am I right that in this instance there is no advantage mathematically in combining the tracks? It would only be useful if tracks were of disparate lengths with some being particularly short say 45sec where there will be 32M taps? I'm trying to wrap my head around this concept and trying to figure out which albums I should use the "combine track" feature. PH SR7 > MacMini+Uptone MMK Mod > Audirvana 3.2 > re-clocked D-LInk switch/LPS1.1 > sMS-200Ultra/LPS1.2 > tX-USBUltra/PH SR7 > Chord BluDave > Focal Utopia(Norne Silver) or Voxativ 9.87/ Stereo REL G1 Mk II Link to comment
Popular Post Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2021 9 hours ago, HeeBroG said: @Zaphod Beeblebrox Hi ZB, When combining tracks in a live album with say 3min tracks over 30mins duration; Each track at 3min would be about 128M taps. Whilst if combining the 10 tracks of 3min each would yield 1280M taps overall. Am I right that in this instance there is no advantage mathematically in combining the tracks? It would only be useful if tracks were of disparate lengths with some being particularly short say 45sec where there will be 32M taps? I'm trying to wrap my head around this concept and trying to figure out which albums I should use the "combine track" feature. The idea behind combining tracks is to take advantage of longer track lengths for better reconstruction accuracy using even more taps. In your example, it does not mater what the individual track lengths are, they may be equal or disparate, but their combined length is still 30 minutes that will get you close to 1.25B taps and hence all the tracks will benifit from the increased tap length leading to better reconstruction accuracy. The more important factor is that the tracks belong to a single continuous recording and were arbitrarily cut into tracks. The intuition behind longer tap lengths is quite simple, the longer taps is just gathering information from a larger window to create new reconstructed samples at higher sample rates. This new sample that is reconstructed is only as accurate as the window and the information contained in that window. If we use tracks that are unrelated or tracks taht had discontinuities, the information contained in the window is incomplete and it can do more harm than good. kennyb123 and HeeBroG 2 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
HeeBroG Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 So in other words; combine tracks whenever possible if the album is a continuous recording. PH SR7 > MacMini+Uptone MMK Mod > Audirvana 3.2 > re-clocked D-LInk switch/LPS1.1 > sMS-200Ultra/LPS1.2 > tX-USBUltra/PH SR7 > Chord BluDave > Focal Utopia(Norne Silver) or Voxativ 9.87/ Stereo REL G1 Mk II Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, HeeBroG said: So in other words; combine tracks whenever possible if the album is a continuous recording. Correct. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
HeeBroG Posted August 15, 2021 Share Posted August 15, 2021 Ok; final question on the topic ZB. Some live albums have tracks spliced in from another "take" but done at the same venue and with presumably the same equipment. This is often done quite cleverly during the applause between tracks to make it less obvious. Would combining these tracks be still be a valid approach? I ask as it would be quite laborious to perform this step try and distinguish which tracks to combine for certain albums. My inner OCD is getting the better of me!😅 PH SR7 > MacMini+Uptone MMK Mod > Audirvana 3.2 > re-clocked D-LInk switch/LPS1.1 > sMS-200Ultra/LPS1.2 > tX-USBUltra/PH SR7 > Chord BluDave > Focal Utopia(Norne Silver) or Voxativ 9.87/ Stereo REL G1 Mk II Link to comment
WilliamWykeham Posted August 16, 2021 Share Posted August 16, 2021 For a Holo May owner, what would the recommendation be if using digital volume control in my playback software - JPLAY/Hqplayer? I removed my preamp from the chain and perceived a boost in SQ. Just not sure if I should still be setting bits at 20 in PGGB. Link to comment
Popular Post Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 16, 2021 1 hour ago, WilliamWykeham said: For a Holo May owner, what would the recommendation be if using digital volume control in my playback software - JPLAY/Hqplayer? I removed my preamp from the chain and perceived a boost in SQ. Just not sure if I should still be setting bits at 20 in PGGB. There are a few options and you will have to try them and settle on what sounds best. You said you perceived an improvement in SQ without a preamp, how are you controlling volume now? What are you currently using to play PGGB files? PGGB allows you to set a fixed gain (in dB), you can dial that in PGGB. The down side is you cannot change the gain in real time. You can set the bit depth to 20bits. Set bit depth to 32bits and noise shaping to 'Dither only' and if you use HQP, use it for volume control with dither set to LNS15 Set bit depth to 64 in PGGB and use HQP as above. Option 1 will likely be best for SQ if that works for you. Option 3 is next but then it will more than double your current file size. Option 3 may be a good compromise if you prefer the convenience of being able to change the volume. WilliamWykeham, lwr and llamaluv 1 2 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Gavin1977 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 On 8/16/2021 at 2:46 AM, WilliamWykeham said: For a Holo May owner, what would the recommendation be if using digital volume control in my playback software - JPLAY/Hqplayer? I removed my preamp from the chain and perceived a boost in SQ. Just not sure if I should still be setting bits at 20 in PGGB. HQPlayer software volume control worked perfectly for me with DSD on the Holo May, but didn't work with PCM. I didn't get to the bottom of it and decided that the May wasn't for me anyhow. Link to comment
Popular Post CNoblet Posted August 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2021 Having listened repeatedly to the files I upsampled with PGGB during the trial period, I concluded that I no longer wish to listen to the rest of my 2,000-plus digital albums without the benefit of PGGB. The improvements it has made to digital music playback are many and extraordinary, as I listen at 32 bits/705.6-768 via Audirvana 3.5 thru the Chord Mojo DAC direct to a naim NAP160 power amplifier and Spendor/REL speakers. No more playing around with audio settings, and no more EQ/convolution! My only regret at the time of purchase is that this software wasn't available 10 years ago. I haven't enjoyed listening so much since the days when I first discovered the music I would love. Indeed, PGGB enables a voyage of musical rediscovery that I am only now beginning. Thank you to ZB and the contributors to Audiophile Style who have promoted this software! austinpop, Zaphod Beeblebrox, Progisus and 6 others 2 4 3 Newbie Since 2/2015. Audirvana/Roon > Mid-2010 Mac Mini > USB > AQ Jitterbug > Chord Electronics Mojo > Naim NAP160 power amplifier > Naim NACA5 > Spendor SP2/3r + stereo REL subs. Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, CNoblet said: No more playing around with audio settings, and no more EQ/convolution! If you already have a convolution filter, current PGGB can also do EQ, something you can give a try if you so wish. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
davide256 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 8/15/2021 at 9:46 PM, WilliamWykeham said: For a Holo May owner, what would the recommendation be if using digital volume control in my playback software - JPLAY/Hqplayer? I removed my preamp from the chain and perceived a boost in SQ. Just not sure if I should still be setting bits at 20 in PGGB. An active pre-amp can add its own signature/limitations. You may want to try a passive pre vs using digital volume controls. My understanding is that digital volume controls work ok for modest to moderate db volume level reduction but degrade sound if you need to significantly reduce volume levels for normal listening. Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
WilliamWykeham Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 4 hours ago, davide256 said: An active pre-amp can add its own signature/limitations. You may want to try a passive pre vs using digital volume controls. My understanding is that digital volume controls work ok for modest to moderate db volume level reduction but degrade sound if you need to significantly reduce volume levels for normal listening. My preamp is a decent passive; still prefer digital volume. I attenuate by ~12 to 18dbs in JPLAY Femto which is now my preferred software for PGGB files. Link to comment
HeeBroG Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 18 hours ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: If you already have a convolution filter, current PGGB can also do EQ, something you can give a try if you so wish. Hi ZB. I am trying out some filters made with Acourate. After correction, the overall level is -6dB down when compared with no correction. When plugging the filter into PGGB-EQ, does the track get processed with at -6dB as well? PH SR7 > MacMini+Uptone MMK Mod > Audirvana 3.2 > re-clocked D-LInk switch/LPS1.1 > sMS-200Ultra/LPS1.2 > tX-USBUltra/PH SR7 > Chord BluDave > Focal Utopia(Norne Silver) or Voxativ 9.87/ Stereo REL G1 Mk II Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, HeeBroG said: Hi ZB. I am trying out some filters made with Acourate. After correction, the overall level is -6dB down when compared with no correction. When plugging the filter into PGGB-EQ, does the track get processed with at -6dB as well? PGGB-EQ tries to keep the original level when possible without clipping, so unless the track has a low dynamic range, the level can still be close to the original. The exact attenuation will depend on the track. HeeBroG 1 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Cacto C Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 Hi all audiophile friends here, Anyone who can share experience with Aurender family for PGGB 8FS (PCM 384) USB output? Did you hear any difference? Saw Aurender W20SE supports 16FS (PCM 768) and it seems to be one of the best (or THE best) sources for 16FS, 24BIT, USB > SRC-DX > Chord Dave? Thank you if anyone have some story to share. Link to comment
peterlim8 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 I've the Chord Qutest and HMS, and I still want to keep the HMS. And, Windows 10 with 32GB RAM, with Jplay installed. I need to purchase 2TB SSD to improve the processing performance. My music collections are mainly redbook format. My question is: Can I output the PGGB files to HMS via USB, and DUAL BNCs to Qutest? Thank you! P/S: The Qutest is 7m away from the HMS, and PC is just next tot he HMS. Link to comment
LowOrbit Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, peterlim8 said: I've the Chord Qutest and HMS, and I still want to keep the HMS. My question is: Can I output the PGGB files to HMS via USB, and DUAL BNCs to Qutest? Thank you! P/S: The Qutest is 7m away from the HMS, and PC is just next tot he HMS. Simple answer, yes you can do that. You will lose 3db going through HMS (even in non-upsampling mode), so will need to adjust volume level in your playback software to achieve your current output levels. Link to comment
peterlim8 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 hours ago, LowOrbit said: Simple answer, yes you can do that. You will lose 3db going through HMS (even in non-upsampling mode), so will need to adjust volume level in your playback software to achieve your current output levels. Thanks for the prompt reply! I also realised that you had a Matrix Audio Element H USB card, I guess it's better than the onboard USB port. Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 6 hours ago, peterlim8 said: I've the Chord Qutest and HMS, and I still want to keep the HMS. And, Windows 10 with 32GB RAM, with Jplay installed. I need to purchase 2TB SSD to improve the processing performance. My music collections are mainly redbook format. My question is: Can I output the PGGB files to HMS via USB, and DUAL BNCs to Qutest? Thank you! P/S: The Qutest is 7m away from the HMS, and PC is just next tot he HMS. Yes that can be done, HMS will still decrease gain by 3dB and Noise shape, so for best results set PGGB to 16fS/32 bits 'Dither only'. You can also consider USB->Fiber optic->USB for the 7m run to Qutest to directly use 32bit Noise shaped PGGB files into USB of Qutest. I have currently use Adnaco Fiber to USB in the past have also Monoprice fiber USB extender for a similar application. Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
peterlim8 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Zaphod Beeblebrox said: You can also consider USB->Fiber optic->USB for the 7m run to Qutest to directly use 32bit Noise shaped PGGB files into USB of Qutest. I have currently use Adnaco Fiber to USB in the past have also Monoprice fiber USB extender for a similar application. Thanks ZB for the info and setting recommendations, and Adnaco looks interesting. Btw, silly me, in fact I can just jplay any HiRes from the PC to HMS via USB to verify any connectivity issues. Link to comment
LowOrbit Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 6 hours ago, peterlim8 said: Thanks for the prompt reply! I also realised that you had a Matrix Audio Element H USB card, I guess it's better than the onboard USB port. Well spotted Peter, yes I do have and use the Matrix Audio USB card. It works very well - the key (and I suspect the same applies to other such cards) is good external power. I think that, more than any other factor, determines the results. Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 6 hours ago, peterlim8 said: Thanks ZB for the info and setting recommendations, and Adnaco looks interesting. Btw, silly me, in fact I can just jplay any HiRes from the PC to HMS via USB to verify any connectivity issues. I use https://www.adnaco.com/products/s3a/ in my music server (but i ordered it without FSP or the fiber optic cable), the USB endpoint is powered by SR5T but the PCIe card does not have a separate power. However I power the Server with two rails of SR7T, one for CPU one for MB. NanoSword 1 Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
Mark Labbett Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 just got the trial and i am unable to process more than 5 tracks in an album even when i restart the program, once it see's that the other track have been done it says track limit reached and i don't see how to select the other tracks ???? Link to comment
Zaphod Beeblebrox Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Mark Labbett said: just got the trial and i am unable to process more than 5 tracks in an album even when i restart the program, once it see's that the other track have been done it says track limit reached and i don't see how to select the other tracks ???? Please see below (it is also part of the email you recieve with trial license) Author of PGGB & RASA, remastero Update: PGGB-256 is completely revamped, improved, and now uses much less memory New: PGGB-IT! is a new interface for PGGB 256, supports multi-channel, smaller footprint, more lossless compression options Free: foo_pggb_rt is a free real-time upsampling plugin for foobar2000 64bit; RASA is a free tool to do FFT analysis of audio tracks System: TT7 PGI 240v > Paretoaudio Server [SR7T] > Adnaco Fiber [SR5T] >VR L2iSE [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Infinity PC]> QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation RCA> Omega CAMs, JL Sub, Vox Z-Bass/ [QSA Silver fuse, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation PC] KGSSHV Carbon CC, Audeze CRBN Link to comment
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