AudiophileStyle Seems Alive and Well :-)

[sphinxsix]

Wow, 11 active threads on general forum forum on Sunday - I'm not sure I do remember something like that. Was I (again) right when I said when some fundamentalist objectivists were leaving that this will be beneficial to the forum in the long run.? 

But seriously - although I happen to miss e.g. @wgscott's brilliance or @mansr's and mine 'far off' dialogues and his technical knowledge (including his reverse engineering), IMHO the atmosphere here is much healthier now, what's your opinion on that, guys.?

 

[Ben-M]

I don't frequent the threads as much as I used to, but I would say that the overall attitude is more positive and the forum is more welcoming than say 6-12 months ago.

 

I don't know if that's related or if people have just mellowed the fuck out after over a year of pandemic related turmoil, but I like it. 

[One and a half]

Agreed, since the agitators have left, the place has less conflict, more consensus and valuable discussions. We may not get into nitty gritty splitting hairs of abstract topics which in retrospect went nowhere anyway.

[NOMBEDES]

I have everything audio could ever I desire.  I just visit the AS to see what outrage MQA has foisted on an unwary public and get updates on the elusive Mr. Ho.

[plissken]

On 3/28/2021 at 9:20 AM, sphinxsix said:

what's your opinion on that, guys.?

 

 

I think the flow of traffic, due in part to the encouraged departure of highly experienced members, has benefited another site.

[bobflood]

I like the new normal. More like the original old normal from the early days of CA.

[Jud]

1 hour ago, plissken said:

 

I think the flow of traffic, due in part to the encouraged departure of highly experienced members, has benefited another site.

 

I think that's correct, but I also think it has led to a healthier if at times less technically proficient atmosphere here.  (There are still people here who are quite technically proficient in various areas, present company included.)

[plissken]

1 hour ago, Jud said:

but I also think it has led to a healthier if at times less technically proficient atmosphere here.

 

I've never seen the saying 'ignorance is bliss' put another way like this ;-)

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 hours ago, plissken said:

 

I think the flow of traffic, due in part to the encouraged departure of highly experienced members, has benefited another site.

People should keep in mind the goals of sites. The fact that a small minority of people left has been a huge benefit for AS. To some people, getting the most likes or the most traffic is the goal. Not me. My goal is a community that fosters the enjoyment of this wonderful hobby. 
 

Sure, some smart people left. However, they didn’t take their knowledge with them under lock & key. There are plenty of people who can offer equally as much, with the added benefit of tact and professionalism. 

[seeteeyou]

3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

My goal is a community that fosters the enjoyment of this wonderful hobby.

 

Very well said

 

https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/bits-and-bytes/audiophile-style-state-of-the-union-r882/

On 2/17/2020 at 10:45 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

Audiophile Style is about increasing one's enjoyment of music, gear, and the community in general. Nobody needs more negativity in their lives or more judgement of their personal pursuits. The world is full of that nonsense. Audiophile Style is a place to leave all that behind, to forget about one's mentally or physically draining day, and to immerse oneself in that which has brought joy to so many for so long.

 

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3 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Sure, some smart people left. However, they didn’t take their knowledge with them under lock & key. There are plenty of people who can offer equally as much, with the added benefit of tact and professionalism. 

 

 

[Norton]

Agreed that this site has much improved since Chris’s “red wedding”.  Not convinced as to the true technical abilities of the departed, but such as it was seemed to be applied mainly in mocking rather than helping fellow members.  What I find interesting is that the individuals concerned now seem to post far less on other sites than they did on AS,    I guess the attraction to them of the broad church that is AS was in finding someone to disagree with or “correct”  - less easy in the echo chamber of certain other sites.

[Jud]

10 hours ago, plissken said:

 

I've never seen the saying 'ignorance is bliss' put another way like this ;-)

 

If you look at Norton's later post you'll catch some of what I'm talking about.

 

As an attorney involved in large scale litigations I've evaluated whether to hire expert witnesses. They have to not only have technical expertise, but be able to make a favorable impression.

[audiobomber]

Many times I've been reading an older thread and thought how this is a much better place without the constant sniping and arrogance of a few previous members like mansr, and the relentless inanity of Ralf11.

[The Computer Audiophile]

8 minutes ago, audiobomber said:

Many times I've been reading an older thread and thought how this is a much better place without the constant sniping and arrogance of a few previous members like mansr, and the relentless inanity of Ralf11.

I was just thinking the other day about how many people thought ralf was a bot because they never understood his answers. I'm not knocking him or anyone else, but I can see what the people meant. 

 

There's a time and place for almost everything. AS isn't the place for some people and I think everyone is better off when people find a place that fits their style best. 

[audiobomber]

20 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I was just thinking the other day about how many people thought ralf was a bot because they never understood his answers. I'm not knocking him or anyone else, but I can see what the people meant. 

 

There's a time and place for almost everything. AS isn't the place for some people and I think everyone is better off when people find a place that fits their style best. 

I have no problem knocking some people, especially when I did it while he was here. Ralf11 was a poseur. He had very limited knowledge of audio or electronics. His schtick was to glom onto someone he thought was knowledgeable and repeat what they said. Sometimes he got it right, sometimes not. 

 

Ralf always reminded me of Chester:

 

[JoeWhip]

2 hours ago, Jud said:

 

If you look at Norton's later post you'll catch some of what I'm talking about.

 

As an attorney involved in large scale litigations I've evaluated whether to hire expert witnesses. They have to not only have technical expertise, but be able to make a favorable impression.

As a fellow trial lawyer albeit retired now, this is so true. When I wanted to hire an expert I had to meet with him first so I could judge how juries would react to them as best I could. It doesn’t matter what level of expertise you have if you cannot communicate it in a way that people will accept. That was one of the problems with the posters who left AS. Being overly snarky or argumentative only serves to have people question or reject your expertise, even if what you are saying has merit.

[Ben-M]

Who did "leave" anyway? And where did they mostly go? 

 

I haven't thought much about it, but hey, it's worth asking 🤷

[Confused]

2 hours ago, audiobomber said:

Many times I've been reading an older thread and thought how this is a much better place without the constant sniping and arrogance of a few previous members like mansr, and the relentless inanity of Ralf11.

I actually miss Mans I have to say.  He could be a little blunt sometimes, but I could easily put up with this in exchange for the technical insights that he offered.  He had quite a good sense of humour on occasion too.

[Allan F]

8 hours ago, Jud said:

As an attorney involved in large scale litigations I've evaluated whether to hire expert witnesses. They have to not only have technical expertise, but be able to make a favorable impression.

 

As a former prosecutor involved in a number of complex criminal cases, I believe that the ability of an expert to communicate his/her technical knowledge in language that can be readily understood by laymen - whether that be a judge or jury -  is the most important characteristic desired in an expert witness. Not that making a favorable impression is not important as well.

[seeteeyou]

4 hours ago, Confused said:

I actually miss Mans I have to say.

 

Me too, with a twist that is.

 

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4 hours ago, Confused said:

He had quite a good sense of humour on occasion too.

 

Couldn't agree more

 

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/38493-blue-or-red-pill/  

On 2/10/2018 at 5:38 AM, manisandher said:

Invitation for @mansr

 

Come up to my place (Leamington Spa, UK). I'll pay for your fuel or train ticket.

 

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62009-digital-signal-transmission/page/9/?tab=comments#comment-1112992

On 2/27/2021 at 3:31 PM, manisandher said:

3. I invited @mansr to my place (even paid for his train ticket) to help me conduct an ABX in good faith

- Mans was in my office controlling the playback software (using the random generator on his phone to determine A/B)

- I was in my listening room across the corridor

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dd28IbM9fg#t=1h13m28s

 

NOT a professional by any means, does DSM-5 ring a bell?

 

On 2/27/2021 at 3:31 PM, manisandher said:

One of his suggestions was that I heard the keyboard strokes as he controlled the playback software from my office. Yes really... that I could hear keyboard strokes from another room, with two well-sealed closed doors and a corridor between us... AND decifer the keyboard strokes correctly! Absolute madness.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Y1Q8Go7Hs#t=45s

 

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/topic/62314-designing-a-raid-roon-server-w-hqplayer-upsampling/?tab=comments#comment-1116681

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https://audiobacon.net/2019/11/02/the-jcat-signature-lan-a-1000-ethernet-cable/#comment-14411

 

[fas42]

If your belief system makes you absolutely, absolutely certain about something ... then no hill is too hard to climb ...

[Jud]

6 hours ago, Allan F said:

 

As a former prosecutor involved in a number of complex criminal cases, I believe that the ability of an expert to communicate his/her technical knowledge in language that can be readily understood by laymen - whether that be a judge or jury -  is the most important characteristic desired in an expert witness. Not that making a favorable impression is not important as well.

 

I think a possible difference is that I wasn't using taxpayer money. 🙂 We could afford a choice from among experts who were good at putting their concepts in lay language, and the choice was determined by who would make a better impression with judge or jury.

[sphinxsix]

I must say I also miss mansr's sense of humor and the ability to go far off every now and then. Our relation shifted after some initial friction (typical objectivist vs subjectivist stuff) and the breaking point was the moment when my listening impressions of the undecoded MQA and his objectivist observations of the format correlated with each other (was a long, long ago - during the brief moment when Chris sympathized with the new format). After that I had an impression there was quite lots of sympathy and respect for each other on both sides, we've also had lots of fun together on some, not necessarily serious threads. This was really cool for two people seeing audio from so different angles. 

As for ralph - I actually managed to forget about him, but since I just got reminded of him - I must say I'm still impressed with how fast he was able to fill in gaps in his general knowledge using Google, think he might have been better at it than many contemporary AI's   

 

[Allan F]

20 hours ago, Jud said:

 

I think a possible difference is that I wasn't using taxpayer money. 🙂 We could afford a choice from among experts who were good at putting their concepts in lay language, and the choice was determined by who would make a better impression with judge or jury.

 

Perhaps a greater difference is the "balance of probabilities" standard of proof in civil cases compared to "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases.  I can see where the "better impression" is more likely to tilt the balance in your favour. I can't say that financial considerations ever influenced the choice of experts in any of my cases. 🙂

[Jud]

1 hour ago, Allan F said:

I can't say that financial considerations ever influenced the choice of experts in any of my cases. 🙂

 

So here's the sort of thing I'm talking about:

 

Don't know if you remember the 1984 Syncrude fire that knocked a huge refinery offline for months while oil was $60+ a barrel, but that resulted in a billion dollar lawsuit involving Exxon and the Canadian government, among others.

 

There were literally dozens of experts, among whom were the first engineer to be licensed to use a PC version of the software Boeing used to model stresses on the surfaces of its military jets; and a Dutch engineer who booked us three *weeks* of computer time on one of the world's fastest supercomputers, used by Royal Dutch Shell to model oil platform explosions and fires.

 

I am guessing that although criminal prosecutions can be exceedingly complex, there would have been no question of jetting around the world vetting and hiring dozens of experts using state of the art hardware and software for one of them.