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Frank is considered to be one of the greatest Avant Garde composer/musician ever.

 

He thought of lyrics and vocals as instruments also. Why there is a rhythm and flow to the vocals like they were.

 

As far as accessibility - Try Dweezil Zappa playing Frank Zappa. There is an explanation there that is very useful.

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I find that Danny Elfman is also in that style. Another interesting composer/musician.

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I believe Apostrophe, Over-Nite Sensation or One Size Fits All are good to start. Joe's Garage (all three parts) is very good. Bongo Fury (with Captain Beefheart) is excellent. Zappa in New York, Sheik Yerbouti. Zappa recorded a lot of albums, especially after he decided to run his own recording label and was pushed to publish as much, as he can to maintain sales. As a whole 70s were his best years, imo.

 

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'Roxy & Elsewhere' is certainly a good one although I wouldn't recommend 'Just Another Band From L.A.' or 'Cruising With Ruben & the Jets' as an introduction to FZ. The former contains 'Billy The Mountain', which is FZ's comedy take on a narrative work such as 'Peter And The Wolf'. If you want to hear Peter Wolf, go back to 'Sheik Yerbouti' or 'Joe's Garage' 😀. If you want music with a narrative storyline, check out 'The Adventures Of Greggery Peccary' from 'Lather'.

 

I listened to the 24/192 'Chunga's Revenge' this morning. I had also thought that 'The Nancy And Mary Music' was a sonic mess, although this 24/192 version seems to make more sense of it.

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While I'm on here, considering Zappa recorded to the highest standards, does anyone who knows these records inside and out think there is worth in buying the 192/24 versions? I just downloaded"Roxy Performances" and they sound amazing at 44/16, I can't imagine them getting clearer and cleaner.

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1 hour ago, samtheman57 said:

While I'm on here, considering Zappa recorded to the highest standards, does anyone who knows these records inside and out think there is worth in buying the 192/24 versions? I just downloaded"Roxy Performances" and they sound amazing at 44/16, I can't imagine them getting clearer and cleaner.

 

The answer to your question depends on personal subjective preferences and the characteristics of your audio system. For me, 16-44 is quite enough, however someone will be satisfied with 24-192 only. I would pay attention to the other thing instead of this. The original LPs in the mid-70s sounded not the same. For example, Over-Nite Sensation had better sound than Apostrophe, which was slightly muffled to my ears. Whether the clarity has been improved now would be more important. Didn't listen new Apostrophe version yet, hope it sounds better now.

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18 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

While I'm on here, considering Zappa recorded to the highest standards, does anyone who knows these records inside and out think there is worth in buying the 192/24 versions? I just downloaded"Roxy Performances" and they sound amazing at 44/16, I can't imagine them getting clearer and cleaner.

I have spent years tweaking my system, and recent upgrades include my HD Streamer using balanced outputs, NSF Clear line AC Optimizer, a decent power conditioner by Furman, and a Khozmo Acoustic Passive Pre, as well as ADAM T7V monitors. I heard Apostrophe on a high end system for the time (uh, a bit under the influence) with a Marantz receiver and amp and AR speakers. It blew my mind and changed my life. I became a true FZ fanatic. Anyway, all that to sat I stuck my foot in the water, and to my ears, and many years, the 192/24 version is definitive. Another Spin, I get the muffled effect on prior versions, I can hear all details much more clearly, especially, misheard lyrics. Down the rabbit hole I go.

 

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38 minutes ago, samtheman57 said:

I have spent years tweaking my system, and recent upgrades include my HD Streamer using balanced outputs, NSF Clear line AC Optimizer, a decent power conditioner by Furman, and a Khozmo Acoustic Passive Pre, as well as ADAM T7V monitors. I heard Apostrophe on a high end system for the time (uh, a bit under the influence) with a Marantz receiver and amp and AR speakers. It blew my mind and changed my life. I became a true FZ fanatic. Anyway, all that to sat I stuck my foot in the water, and to my ears, and many years, the 192/24 version is definitive. Another Spin, I get the muffled effect on prior versions, I can hear all details much more clearly, especially, misheard lyrics. Down the rabbit hole I go.

 

 

Speaking about Apostrophe, most detailed I heard it was with good Noble Audio earphones... I've been going backward with my audio system simplifying and minimizing it step by step for some time. Now I have a less refined or sophisticated sound, what allows me to focus more on music. 🙂

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As I understand it, these new high resolution remasters were sourced from DSD transfers circa 2012 or so. 

 

Any reason to go with 24/192 vs. 24/96?  Won't I just be getting more noise?

 

BTW, I cued up Apostrophe along side the CD version, and it appears to have a tad less compression.  I wonder how flat these sources may be as compared with the CDs, as a whole.

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As for more... I'm sorry, I just can't use the word 'conventional' in relation to Zappa x-D 

..well - simply jazz-rock, I'd join those who recommended 'Hot Rats' (issued also as a 6CD 'Sessions' box) and "Grand Wazoo' (live version - 'Wazoo' appeared on the market at some point).

Great stuff!

Sometimes measurable things can't be measured. In such situation one must use a chicken to measure them.

 

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