Unpopular opinion... I don't think Eric Clapton is very great.

[AudioDoctor]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

P.S. I deleted R Kelly music from my library. 

 

Other than the fact that I only like good music... There is a reason Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are not in my library.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, charlesphoto said:

Welcome to my ignore list. 

 

If everybody ignores someone, does that mean s/he is canceled? Asking for a friend. 

[AudioDoctor]

2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

If everybody ignores someone, does that mean s/he is canceled? Asking for a friend. 

 

I'll ask the NFL...

[firedog]

21 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

Yup the old trick, "prove he isn't a racist". Prove you aren't one. 

 

You do realize that Clapton has worked with and help expand the careers of more Black underpaid and poorly received artists than just about any performer, pretty much unheard of during a time when few black performers could break through the ranks. Some of the greatest and ingenious black performers during the 60s and 70s were helped by Clapton. 

Wow. That's your reaction?

No tricks involved. I specifically said I don't know if he is one. Didn't say that quote from 1976 proves anything.

 

Your two posts prove nothing about Clapton or about racism.

 

Again, a person can be a racist yet still have positive feelings towards exceptional individuals from the hated group.

 

There were Nazis who had favored Jewish individuals.

 

When I grew up in the Southern US, there were families who treated a Black domestic servant like one of the family and loved her, but were horrible racists and segregationists. They would even say racist things in front of the person and then say, "but not you".

 

The same kind of thing could possibly be true of Clapton. Not really sure what is so hard for you to understand here.

Or is it just that you can't help but turn any discussion of anything into a political argument?

[charlesphoto]

2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

If everybody ignores someone, does that mean s/he is canceled? Asking for a friend. 

You might want to have a talk with my wife and kids about that one.... ;)

[Priaptor]

13 minutes ago, charlesphoto said:

All I need to know, right there. Probably best to go back to discussing whether USB cables have a sound or not. Welcome to my ignore list. 

Yup how does it feel to be a useful idiot. What is your claim to being woke? Watching a Spike Lee movie. LMAO. Stick to judging music as you suck in judging me. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

58 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

That they already paid for...

yes!

[Priaptor]

10 minutes ago, firedog said:

Wow. That's your reaction?

No tricks involved. I specifically said I don't know if he is one. Didn't say that quote from 1976 proves anything.

 

Your two posts prove nothing about Clapton or about racism.

 

Again, a person can be a racist yet still have positive feelings towards exceptional individuals from the hated group.

 

There were Nazis who had favored Jewish individuals.

 

When I grew up in the Southern US, there were families who treated a Black domestic servant like one of the family and loved her, but were horrible racists and segregationists. They would even say racist things in front of the person and then say, "but not you".

 

The same kind of thing could possibly be true of Clapton. Not really sure what is so hard for you to understand here.

Or is it just that you can't help but turn any discussion of anything into a political argument?

Once again you cast aspersions with insidious comments with obvious implications so you can plausibly deny what you "meant". I get it as that is your style, but here in America unlike elsewhere, you are supposed to prove someone of what you claim rather than the individual prove he is innocent of what you accuse him of being. Doesn't always work that way BUT that is how it was framed by those now denigrated and dead old white males. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

What is your claim to being woke? Watching a Spike Lee movie.

Wait, you just judged him then told him to not judge you? Did I see that right?

 

Anyway, I'm listening to some great music right now. 

[ssh]

1 hour ago, Priaptor said:

OH now there lies a metric that we can take solace in, people YOU know that had equally horrible periods in their lives. You have no idea just like I have no idea just how horrible places people find themselves in. 

 

No excuse for his comments BUT I will look at the man in totality rather than judge him superficially like you are for a single comment he made during a horrible period in his life. 

 

I can quote many more racist, anti-Semitic, misogynist and overall hateful speech from entertainers, newscasters, writers, Hollywooders, etc. who made such comments while straight than you can ever quote Clapton OR for that matter who has been a bigger proponent for the Black entertainer than Clapton. 

A "bigger proponent for the Black entertainer"? How about Bing Crosby?

[Priaptor]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Wait, you just judged him then told him to not judge you? Did I see that right?

 

Anyway, I'm listening to some great music right now. 

Chris the nice thing about digital is like Little House on the Prairie, when listening, you can personally cancel by fast forwarding, those parts you consider racist.

[charlesphoto]

True story: as a sophomore in high school I went to the local record store one day when I was in my heavy classic rock phase (it's actually what I listened to on the radio when it was 'new' rock - I'm 57). I bought two albums - Derek and the Dominoes (Layla) and another one that caught my eye because it was just so goddamned different looking - the first Clash LP. Got home, played The Clash, and the next week sold all of my classic rock LP's to the kid down the street. I'm so bored with the USA - life changing. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, Priaptor said:

Chris the nice thing about digital is like Little House on the Prairie, when listening, you can personally cancel by fast forwarding, those parts you consider racist.

 

Yeah, but then I get the racist taste in my mouth and I want to puke. I just delete from my library. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, charlesphoto said:

True story: as a sophomore in high school I went to the local record store one day when I was in my heavy classic rock phase (it's actually what I listened to on the radio when it was 'new' rock - I'm 57). I bought two albums - Derek and the Dominoes (Layla) and another one that caught my eye because it was just so goddamned different looking - the first Clash LP. Got home, played The Clash, and the next week sold all of my classic rock LP's to the kid down the street. I'm so bored with the USA - life changing. 

 

Music is powerful stuff. 

 

I brought all my hair metal CDs to the local store to sell them after hearing Pearl Jam's 10. Life changing. 

[Priaptor]

1 minute ago, ssh said:

A "bigger proponent for the Black entertainer"? How about Bing Crosby?

Yes I clarified my comments by saying in "modern times" or in the 60s and 70s. It was rhetorical. There have been many proponents and very happily the black entertainer rarely requires the help of these people anymore. 

 

My mother knew Louis Armstrong. I only found out about this after she died. My mother worked as a bookkeeper at some of NYs Jazz spots and ultimately the Copa. Unbeknownst to me, he was partially raised by a Jewish guy in NO who spoke Yiddish and became fluent in Yiddish and would speak to my mother in Yiddish. Unfortunately my mother has passed and there is only one cousin I have that has an information on my mom's crazy past and her Jazz love which I never knew. 

[Priaptor]

4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

Yeah, but then I get the racist taste in my mouth and I want to puke. I just delete from my library. 

That I get and why I have chosen to CANCEL all things Roger Waters from my library. Same for Wagner

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

My mother knew Louis Armstrong. I only found out about this after she died. My mother worked as a bookkeeper at some of NYs Jazz spots and ultimately the Copa. Unbeknownst to me, he was partially raised by a Jewish guy in NO who spoke Yiddish and became fluent in Yiddish and would speak to my mother in Yiddish. Unfortunately my mother has passed and there is only one cousin I have that has an information on my mom's crazy past and her Jazz love which I never knew. 

 

This is a story I can get behind. Much more interesting than the headache causing stuff we've been discussing. 

[Priaptor]

5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

This is a story I can get behind. Much more interesting than the headache causing stuff we've been discussing. 

Yeah, I agree. I am trying to get as much information from my cousin as she ages. Apparently my mother wasn't as innocent as I thought. Unfortunately she had a severe stroke at the age of 46 but lived until 79 and my father who has also passed took great care of her till the end.

 

ONLY after they both passed did I find out that my mom, from an early age of 16+, would travel in some dubious circles of Jewish Mafia types that had their tentacles in the NY entertainment industry and one of them she actually married and divorced a year later for cheating, which I only found out about years after her passing. Pretty shocking and verified with pictures from my cousin who has since shared them with me. Not sure if my dad ever knew or not as they only met after he returned from WWII and was working for Western Electric where my aunt introduced him to my mother. 

 

Divorce back in the late 30s was a Scarlett letter. 

 

My cousin is also interesting growing up in the Sheepshead Bay area in Brooklyn and dated Neil Sedaka and was introduced to the then in music group of the many great entertainers being spawned during those years. She actually introduced me to some great entertainment from the Village in those days for which I am eternally grateful. Her father also was the ONLY one who had a real stereo an old Fisher that got me into listening at a very young age. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

Yeah, I agree. I am trying to get as much information from my cousin as she ages. Apparently my mother wasn't as innocent as I thought. Unfortunately she had a severe stroke at the age of 46 but lived until 79 and my father who has also passed took great care of her till the end.

 

ONLY after they both passed did I find out that my mom, from an early age of 16+, would travel in some dubious circles of Jewish Mafia types that had their tentacles in the NY entertainment industry and one of them she actually married and divorced a year later for cheating, which I only found out about years after her passing. Pretty shocking and verified with pictures from my cousin who has since shared them with me. Not sure if my dad ever knew or not as they only met after he returned from WWII and was working for Western Electric where my aunt introduced him to my mother. 

 

Divorce back in the late 30s was a Scarlett letter. 

 

My cousin is also interesting growing up in the Sheepshead Bay area in Brooklyn and dated Neil Sedaka and was introduced to the then in music group of the many great entertainers being spawned during those years. She actually introduced me to some great entertainment from the Village in those days for which I am eternally grateful. Her father also was the ONLY one who had a real stereo an old Fisher that got me into listening at a very young age. 

Fascinating stuff. 

[Bill Brown]

27 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

My mother knew Louis Armstrong. I only found out about this after she died. My mother worked as a bookkeeper at some of NYs Jazz spots and ultimately the Copa. Unbeknownst to me, he was partially raised by a Jewish guy in NO who spoke Yiddish and became fluent in Yiddish and would speak to my mother in Yiddish. Unfortunately my mother has passed and there is only one cousin I have that has an information on my mom's crazy past and her Jazz love which I never knew.

 

And the reason he wore, I believe, a star of David pendant his whole life.

 

Bill

[firedog]

33 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

Once again you cast aspersions with insidious comments with obvious implications so you can plausibly deny what you "meant". I get it as that is your style, but here in America unlike elsewhere, you are supposed to prove someone of what you claim rather than the individual prove he is innocent of what you accuse him of being. Doesn't always work that way BUT that is how it was framed by those now denigrated and dead old white males. 

 

No. You are totally wrong.

What's amazing about you - since you are obviously very intelligent - is that you seem to have zero ability to get outside of your own head. In every post you respond to, you put words into other people's mouths and change what they wrote. Apparently you are unable to simply read what someone else writes without filtering it through a process whereby it comes out tured into something else due to your own preconceptions. Your understanding is limited b/c you are constantly inventing meanings that aren't there. 

I write what I think. Your perception of it and what you think you know I "really meant" doesn't change it into something else and something I didn't write. 

[lucretius]

14 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’ve always liked Clapton’s voice and lyrics better than his guitar playing. I know, call me a heretic :~)

 

Hmmm ... I never thought much about Clapton's voice but his guitar playing was on another level -- especially the timing; he earned the nickname Slowhand.

[NOMBEDES]

I can not understand people who get up in the morning and hate.  Hate the gays, the jews, the various races, hate the other, the different.......look at the people in Congress.....such hate, I am sure their internal organs must be twisted and diseased from the various chemicals their hate addled brains have released.

 

Why would you want to spend your life with an emotion like hate?

 

I also believe in redemption and forgiveness.  I would hope that some of MY words and deeds from 1976 might be forgiven.  None of us is truly blameless.  We have all done things we are ashamed of.  

 

And if any of you can play the solo from Spoonful with any degree of speed and accuracy....well you are a better man than I.

[sphinxsix]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I never understood that one. 

 

Band wants to be paid for its music. People get upset and destroy its physical discs.

 

1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

That they already paid for...

 

And made their mp3s from..

 

[sphinxsix]

 

2 hours ago, Priaptor said:

Yeah, so Clapton makes an overtly racist statement during his drug, alcohol, etc. addicted days.  His best buddies were worried he was going to die. 

 

I'm addicted to tobacco and tea and I'm sometimes worried I might die one day and still I'm not racist.