Unpopular opinion... I don't think Eric Clapton is very great.

[Allan F]

On 3/15/2021 at 2:08 PM, Bill Brown said:

 

Huh??

 

I guess he just "needs to read more closely". 😊

[Bill Brown]

2 minutes ago, Allan F said:

I guess he just "needs to read more closely". 😊

 

Yes, I suppose so.  I was a little perplexed by the response, truthfully.

 

Thanks,

 

Bill

[semente]

On 3/4/2021 at 2:22 AM, AudioDoctor said:

In fact, I find him boring, I don't hear anything special in his guitar playing, I have no idea why he is so famous, and his music is easy listening for aging boomers...

 

I feel the same about Pink Floyd. 🤔

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, semente said:

 

I feel the same about Pink Floyd. 🤔

 

Next unpopular opinion...  ha. I am not a fan of that either.

[sphinxsix]

2 hours ago, semente said:

 

I feel the same about Pink Floyd. 🤔

 

50 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

Next unpopular opinion...  ha. I am not a fan of that either.

 

I grew up in my early teens with their music so it has some 'nostalgic value' for me - you know - these albums which although you seldom listen to them nowadays nevertheless are also special because you remember every single not, every nuance on them, hence I would defend them. Same with eg The Beatles.

But IMO OTOH Yes and Genesis didn't pass a test of time - I cannot listen to them nowadays, but I also wasn't as huge fan of these bands as of Pink Floyd.

 

OTOH when I was a kid and I had only possibility of reading about Grateful Dead (they didn't play their music on the radio where I lived, in general the band has always been much more popular in the US) - I imagined, this must have been the greatest band of all time. Getting their first LP 'Terrapin Station' was the biggest disappointment in music in my life. The music was just bad and utterly boring. I still tend to think that Grateful Dead was actually a bad, boring and probably most overrated band ever. Many claim they were best while playing live (allmusic on 'Terrapin Station': "The theory is that the band's momentum is best experienced during the ebb and flow of a live performance rather than the somewhat clinical tedium of a recording studio.") but maybe their audience was simply usually too high to notice that apart from their ability to create a specific kind of connection with their audience they were in fact a bad, boring half amateur band..

 

I guess some are gonna hate me for this 

 

[Jud]

3 hours ago, sphinxsix said:

 

 

I grew up in my early teens with their music so it has some 'nostalgic value' for me - you know - these albums which although you seldom listen to them nowadays nevertheless are also special because you remember every single not, every nuance on them, hence I would defend them. Same with eg The Beatles.

But IMO OTOH Yes and Genesis didn't pass a test of time - I cannot listen to them nowadays, but I also wasn't as huge fan of these bands as of Pink Floyd.

 

OTOH when I was a kid and I had only possibility of reading about Grateful Dead (they didn't play their music on the radio where I lived, in general the band has always been much more popular in the US) - I imagined, this must have been the greatest band of all time. Getting their first LP 'Terrapin Station' was the biggest disappointment in music in my life. The music was just bad and utterly boring. I still tend to think that Grateful Dead was actually a bad, boring and probably most overrated band ever. Many claim they were best while playing live (allmusic on 'Terrapin Station': "The theory is that the band's momentum is best experienced during the ebb and flow of a live performance rather than the somewhat clinical tedium of a recording studio.") but maybe their audience was simply usually too high to notice that apart from their ability to create a specific kind of connection with their audience they were in fact a bad, boring half amateur band..

 

I guess some are gonna hate me for this 

 

 

Terrapin is definitely a bit too smooth and boring IMO. I was lucky enough to start hearing them during the period of their two best (IMO) studio albums, Workingman's Dead and American Beauty.   The first three songs on the latter in particular are beautiful, friendly, welcoming.

 

Also from that period, the Europe '72 live album is a favorite, especially the Jack Straw through I Know You Rider sequence.

 

If you approach them as friends around the fireside playing for fun on a cold and lonely evening, I think it helps get into the proper frame of mind.

[Samuel T Cogley]

12 minutes ago, Jud said:

If you approach them as friends around the fireside playing for fun on a cold and lonely evening, I think it helps get into the proper frame of mind.

 

With due respect, I'm pretty sure this is exactly what you said to me about Bob Dylan.  You must have witnessed a LOT of intimate, live music with *big* names performing in your youth.  🙂

[sphinxsix]

31 minutes ago, Jud said:

If you approach them as friends around the fireside playing for fun on a cold and lonely evening, I think it helps get into the proper frame of mind.

 

Thanks for your suggestion, I think I know what you mean but I'm afraid might have heard music at the fireside too many times to buy it on any record or to attend kind of live mass fireside gig.. Don't think this will change my attitude to GD  

[AudioDoctor]

I think I may not have done enough drugs to "get" The Dead... Or Pink Floyd for that matter.

[The Computer Audiophile]

9 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

I think I may not have done enough drugs to "get" The Dead... Or Pink Floyd for that matter.

 

I did enough dru... oh I mean, yeah, I don't get them either. 

[sphinxsix]

16 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I did enough dru...

 

Really..?  I mean, I believe no-one here did..

 

[Jud]

2 hours ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

 

With due respect, I'm pretty sure this is exactly what you said to me about Bob Dylan.  You must have witnessed a LOT of intimate, live music with *big* names performing in your youth.  🙂

 

I think what I said about Dylan was slightly different - imagine someone in your home taking out a guitar and performing a song they'd composed, and it was Like A Rolling Stone or Tangled Up In Blue or any of a hundred other Dylan songs. You'd be completely blown away.

 

The "fireside on a lonely evening" image has to do with the Dead's role in providing a warm, welcoming safe harbor for intrepid explorers of cold and lonely mental shores (not necessarily pharmaceutically induced).

[fas42]

GD? Their "hit" is a song that I have never heard, ever 🙂 ... now if I'm in a mood for music of that era, Canned Heat is what gets spun - they still had it, in an album 30 years later.

[Samuel T Cogley]

If you are part of The Woodstock Generation, you're way more likely to "get" The Dead.  I know lots of people who have been sober their whole lives who put their music on quite a pedestal.  While consumption of hallucinogenics was a cultural touchstone of The Dead, it's intellectually lazy to simply dismiss The Dead as "an acid band".

[AudioDoctor]

48 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

If you are part of The Woodstock Generation, you're way more likely to "get" The Dead.  I know lots of people who have been sober their whole lives who put their music on quite a pedestal.  While consumption of hallucinogenics was a cultural touchstone of The Dead, it's intellectually lazy to simply dismiss The Dead as "an acid band".

 

I was only being half serious...

[sphinxsix]

7 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

I was only being half serious...

 

@Samuel T Cogley What he's hiding under his avatar's mask is the fact that the other half of his face is never serious. In my case the not serious part of my face is more than 3/4, that's why I don't use my photo as an avatar - if I did - you'd see only the very top of my head, makes no sense to me 

 

[AnotherSpin]

12 hours ago, Jud said:

 

Terrapin is definitely a bit too smooth and boring IMO. I was lucky enough to start hearing them during the period of their two best (IMO) studio albums, Workingman's Dead and American Beauty.   The first three songs on the latter in particular are beautiful, friendly, welcoming.

 

Also from that period, the Europe '72 live album is a favorite, especially the Jack Straw through I Know You Rider sequence.

 

If you approach them as friends around the fireside playing for fun on a cold and lonely evening, I think it helps get into the proper frame of mind.

 

There is no reason to describe the rainbow to someone who is color blind...

[Jud]

5 hours ago, AnotherSpin said:

 

There is no reason to describe the rainbow to someone who is color blind...

 

I am sure you've had the experience of turning friends on to music you like.  On the other hand, if they turn out not to like what you do, that's fine too.  "De gustibus non disputandum est" is Latin for a reason - this is a very old conversation.

[AnotherSpin]

21 minutes ago, Jud said:

 

I am sure you've had the experience of turning friends on to music you like.  On the other hand, if they turn out not to like what you do, that's fine too.  "De gustibus non disputandum est" is Latin for a reason - this is a very old conversation.

 

That is true. Also, most if not all my tastes were influenced more or less by others. As everything else in life of everyone. Still, Dead is a kind of magic - you either hear it or not. Sure thing, I was giving Barton Hall 5/8/77 recording to some of my dearest musical friends, no one turned on. What is pretty much ok with me. My desert island is my desert island after all.

[Samuel T Cogley]

19 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

 

I was only being half serious...

 

It wasn't directed at you.  Just wanted to get that out there.

[Samuel T Cogley]

19 hours ago, sphinxsix said:

 

@Samuel T Cogley What he's hiding under his avatar's mask is the fact that the other half of his face is never serious. In my case the not serious part of my face is more than 3/4, that's why I don't use my photo as an avatar - if I did - you'd see only the very top of my head, makes no sense to me 

 

 

Anyone who doesn't obscure their real identity on social media is a fool. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

15 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

Anyone who doesn't obscure their real identity on social media is a fool.

 

This is an interesting statement that I absolutely hate to agree with, but I do. When one weighs the pros and cons of using a real identity, it's a no brainer. One can only lose on social media, using a real identity. 

[AudioDoctor]

14 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

This is an interesting statement that I absolutely hate to agree with, but I do. When one weighs the pros and cons of using a real identity, it's a no brainer. One can only lose on social media, using a real identity. 

 

I have to agree with you here.

[The Computer Audiophile]

Just now, AudioDoctor said:

 

I have to agree with you here.

It pains me to say it too. I guess I also wish I never had to lock my car doors, but such is the world we live in. 

[AudioDoctor]

2 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I guess I also wish I never had to lock my car doors, but such is the world we live in. 

Get a manual, then you can watch the thief get very irritated before getting out and trying some other car.