Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 In fact, I find him boring, I don't hear anything special in his guitar playing, I have no idea why he is so famous, and his music is easy listening for aging boomers... He took a superior art form, polished all its rough edges, packaged it for middle america, and IMO, ruined every blues song he ever sang. cab33, Dino335 and sphinxsix 1 1 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post Temporal_Dissident Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 Agreed. Snooze. His best stuff is stolen from JJ Cale, Bob Marley, and innumerable bluesmen. I once heard a story about Billy Corgan‘s father telling him to ignore Clapton. Listen to Zappa, Hendrix and maybe Jerry Garcia? But his point was that there was nothing creative or innovative in Clapton‘s playing. Of course, this line of criticism could easily go to far. There is definitely some redeemable stuff on Slowhand and 461 Ocean Blvd. But, if I was building out my desert island milk crate of albums, I would pack JJ Cale, Bob Marley, Stevie Ray Vaughn, David Gilmore, Muddy waters, Steve Winwood, Jimmy Page long before Clapton sphinxsix and The Computer Audiophile 1 1 Roon > dCS Bartok > Parasound JC 2BP > Parasound JC 5 > Wilson Yvette Technics SL-1200G & Bluesound Node > Luxman L-590axII > OJAS Bookshelf w/ Tweeter Horn Mod Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted March 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 John Lee Hooker could barely keep time, but he was authentic which is what made him great. The Computer Audiophile and sphinxsix 2 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post ShawnC Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 I completely disagree coming from a guitar players background, but that's ok. When my friends and I had conversations about who's the best guitarist, that even when it came to heavy metal, Clapton is still the best guitarist in that category too, a joke of course. All guitarist listen to there idols and take what they've learned and make it their own. Ask any guitarists from any genre and they'll quote who they're inspired by. If you were to ask Eric about his popularity, he could care less for any attention. His popularity is from his life's experiences. Drugs, love, highs, lows, a sister who later in life found out was his mother add to the mystique that is Eric Clapton. Clapton like any other true bluesmen plays with passion. Of course it's nice to know the background to understand the complexity of who he is and what he's playing. Clapton's solos take on a journey unlike most solos that are just slapped in a song for filler. He creates a beginning, middle and end to most of solos. Not all his solos are profound but they are full of passion. If you play guitar you have deeper appreciation for what he has effortlessly achieved in nearly 6 decades. Much of Clapton's work throughout his career has been a tribute to the blues players before him. He has a deep passion for the history of blues music. In the 90's Clapton started releasing albums honoring the bluesmen of the past. If anyone has chance, read Clapton's book, Clapton the Autobiography. Side Note - I don't think any other women in history has as may songs written about her, Patty Boyd. Both Eric Clapton and George Harrison wrote songs about her- Layla, Wonderful Tonight, Belle Bottom Blues and Something are just some of the chart toppers. Then again maybe he 's just average😉, then I'd be demoted from an ok guitarist to terrible, which I'm fine with. Just giving a different perspective. @AudioDoctorwill have to listen to some Clapton on @The Computer Audiophile audio system to get the full experience🤫 sphinxsix, MetalNuts, The Computer Audiophile and 1 other 2 2 Computer setup - Roon/Qobuz - PS Audio P5 Regenerator - HIFI Rose 250A Streamer - Emotiva XPA-2 Harbeth P3ESR XD - Rel R-528 Sub Comfy Chair - Schitt Jotunheim - Meze Audio Empyrean w/Mitch Barnett's Accurate Sound FilterSet Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted March 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, ShawnC said: @AudioDoctorwill have to listen to some Clapton on @The Computer Audiophile audio system to get the full experience🤫 ha! I have honestly tried to give him a chance, many times over. I just come away with a meh after listening to him. But sure, I guess I'll make myself listen to him some more on Chris's system... If I have to... ;-) The Computer Audiophile, Dino335, lucretius and 1 other 3 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I’ve always liked Clapton’s voice and lyrics better than his guitar playing. I know, call me a heretic :~) Superdad 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post astrotoy Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 How can you not like a man who steals another man's wife and stays friends with him for the rest of his life. Larry NOMBEDES, sphinxsix, AudioDoctor and 2 others 5 Analog-VPIClas3,3DArm,LyraSkala+MiyajimaZeromono,Herron VTPH2APhono,2AmpexATR-102+MerrillTridentMaster TapePreamp Dig Rip-Pyramix,IzotopeRX3Adv,MykerinosCard,PacificMicrosonicsModel2; Dig Play-Lampi Horizon, mch NADAC, Roon-HQPlayer,Oppo105 Electronics-DoshiPre,CJ MET1mchPre,Cary2A3monoamps; Speakers-AvantgardeDuosLR,3SolosC,LR,RR Other-2x512EngineerMarutaniSymmetrical Power+Cables Music-1.8KR2Rtapes,1.5KCD's,500SACDs,50+TBripped files Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 If you listen to Cream and the Derek and the Dominos double album and don't think much of him as a singer, guitarist, and songwriter - hard for me to understand. True greatness there. Since then he has gone more towards pop, but there's still a lot of good music there. His album with B.B. King is also very good. He has improved greatly as a singer over the years. Solstice380, christopher3393 and sphinxsix 1 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 16 minutes ago, astrotoy said: How can you not like a man who steals another man's wife and stays friends with him for the rest of his life. Larry I think you'd have to apply that more to George Harrison - she was his wife.. Temporal_Dissident 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
mevdinc Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I also agree that Eric Clapton is not one of the greatest guitar players. I do find his style too repetitive and not very pleasant to listen to. For me great players are those who can play the guitar brilliantly but also create great and memorable tunes. My personal favourites are Tony Iommi, David Gilmour, Brian May, Jimmy Page, all very innovative and creative. And let's not forget the fact that Iommi plays with a few missing finger tips. :) Temporal_Dissident 1 mevdinc.com (My autobiography) Recently sold my ATC EL 150 Actives! Link to comment
Popular Post Solstice380 Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 I’d put Duane Allman up the list, and if Clapton was good enough for him he’s good enough for me! To me, EC pushed things forward for “British Blues”... Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers, Blind Faith (just 1 awesome album, a shame), Cream, D & The D. Then the first solo album, 461, E.C Was Here (live) and that era are good for me. Then he went all commercial at Slowhand. It’s great that he has done albums of the early American blues greats’ material (mainly R.J.), but it’s sort of mushed and commercialized - the antithesis of American blues, to me. AudioDoctor and ShawnC 1 1 https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/21384-solstice380/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 For what reason do people try to rank guitarists (or anyone else) in particular order: greatest, just great, or not great at all? Isn't it enough to just enjoy what you happen to listen to (or do) at any given moment? You like Clapton - fine! You prefer Jerry Garcia, or George Harrison, or Eddie Van Halen - wonderful! Life is a great occasion for the endless celebration for limitless variety of reasons. bluesman 1 Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 6 hours ago, astrotoy said: How can you not like a man who steals another man's wife and stays friends with him for the rest of his life. Larry OMG! I nearly spit out my tea! lucretius, AudioDoctor and sphinxsix 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
charlesphoto Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 He's atrocious IMO, esp with that anti-lockdown ditty he and Van Morrison released a couple of months back. Funny thing, is, for some reason I had a few Clapton records in Roon (I think they were put there when I first signed up for Tidal years ago and downloaded the 'essentials' or something like that) and I deleted them because of that song. Guess what? Next thing Roon is suggesting that conservative screed to me on the home page. So much for their algorithms... Temporal_Dissident 1 SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
Popular Post jiminlogansquare Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: OMG! I nearly spit out my tea! That's what George did when he found out. sphinxsix, AudioDoctor, The Computer Audiophile and 1 other 4 Link to comment
mfsoa Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Agree 100% w/ the OP. I just never got it. Never heard one thing I found interesting or compelling from him. A member of my Most Overrated Musicians Hall of Fame for sure. Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 12 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: In fact, I find him boring, I don't hear anything special in his guitar playing 12 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: He took a superior art form, polished all its rough edges, packaged it for middle america 12 hours ago, Temporal_Dissident said: His best stuff is stolen from JJ Cale, Bob Marley, and innumerable bluesmen. 12 hours ago, Temporal_Dissident said: But, if I was building out my desert island milk crate of albums, I would pack JJ Cale, Bob Marley, Stevie Ray Vaughn, David Gilmore, Muddy waters, Steve Winwood, Jimmy Page long before Clapton 3 hours ago, Solstice380 said: It’s great that he has done albums of the early American blues greats’ material (mainly R.J.), but it’s sort of mushed and commercialized - the antithesis of American blues, to me. +1 11 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I’ve always liked Clapton’s voice and lyrics better than his guitar playing. I know, call me a heretic :~) I've always found also his voice sleepy and boring, I'm probably even bigger heretic 8 hours ago, firedog said: If you listen to Cream and the Derek and the Dominos double album and don't think much of him as a singer, guitarist, and songwriter - hard for me to understand. True greatness there. I'd tend to agree - quite progressive stuff back then in his early years, just like his solos on some well known Beatles songs. God's greatness.? I'd probably say he was a promising guitarist.. Then, if I may say so, he lost his balls.. Just look at Hendrix last album 'EL' - lots of interesting experimentation and great stuff, I'm not even mentioning great playing. He had plans to record with Miles, he thought about big band music.. I'm sure that if he'd still be alive we would hear lots of music making our jaws drop! What did Clapton do in his later years - he gave us simply lots of music which is very good.. for falling asleep.. Hendrix vs Clapton vs Townshend alternative..? Let's be serious - the later two gentlemen met after Hendrix arrived in London and one of them said 'there is this new cat from the US here - soon we will be jobless'.. Townshend was probably the first one to destroy guitars on stage, as for the remaining part of guitar virtuosity and creativity... There was no contest - both Brits knew it themselves! I somehow tend to think (never explored the subject) that it's quite possible that 'EC - the greatest guitarist ever' myth might have been heavily influenced by the British music press. BTW I must also admit that I still have mixed feelings about Clapton's MTV Unplugged and the whole huge promotion accompanying it and 'Tears in Heaven', (a quite good IMO and definitely very personal song) written by Clapton after death of his child and the fact how much money his Unplugged concert (BTW fantastically recorded) made while using the man's personal tragedy as a promotional tool. But maybe it's just me. BTW - for those who haven't seen it yet - 'The Greatest Guitarist of All Time' according to AS members. Link to comment
jcbenten Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I think his rep was made prior to Bluesbreakers in drunken bars from wherever he is from...a cynical view would be he jumped bands to keep from being found out... I do like Cream, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, and some of Blind Faith and DD...but strong musicians were also in those groups. I do not think much of his stuff post 1970. Much prefer Gilmour pre-1980, Page, Frusciante, and a couple others. Solstice380 1 QNAP TS453Pro w/QLMS->Netgear Switch->Netgear RAX43 Router->Ethernet (50 ft)->Netgear switch->SBTouch ->SABAJ A10d->Linn Majik-IL (preamp)->Linn 2250->Linn Keilidh; Control Points: iPeng (iPad Air & iPhone); Also: Rega P3-24 w/ DV 10x5; OPPO 103; PC Playback: Foobar2000 & JRiver; Portable: iPhone 12 ProMax & Radio Paradise or NAS streaming; Sony NWZ ZX2 w/ PHA-3; SMSL IQ, Fiio Q5, iFi Nano iDSD BL; Garage: Edifier S1000DB Active Speakers Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said: OMG! I nearly spit out my tea! Shudda been drinking coffee... The Computer Audiophile and AudioDoctor 2 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 53 minutes ago, charlesphoto said: He's atrocious IMO, esp with that anti-lockdown ditty he and Van Morrison released a couple of months back. Funny thing, is, for some reason I had a few Clapton records in Roon (I think they were put there when I first signed up for Tidal years ago and downloaded the 'essentials' or something like that) and I deleted them because of that song. Guess what? Next thing Roon is suggesting that conservative screed to me on the home page. So much for their algorithms... Hi anti-lockdown talk stuff is pedestrian compared to his racism. I don't really follow him, and can only hope he has changed his ways. People make mistakes, I get it, but this was a bridge too far for me. AudioDoctor, charlesphoto and Temporal_Dissident 2 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
sphinxsix Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi anti-lockdown talk stuff is pedestrian compared to his racism. I don't really follow him, and can only hope he has changed his ways. People make mistakes, I get it, but this was a bridge too far for me. Van Morrison's racism, I guess.? Link to comment
Popular Post Solstice380 Posted March 4, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: For what reason do people try to rank guitarists (or anyone else) in particular order: greatest, just great, or not great at all? Isn't it enough to just enjoy what you happen to listen to (or do) at any given moment? You like Clapton - fine! You prefer Jerry Garcia, or George Harrison, or Eddie Van Halen - wonderful! Life is a great occasion for the endless celebration for limitless variety of reasons. We have to have some other “impossible to agree upon” topics besides whether or not cables influence sound! sphinxsix, Superdad, AudioDoctor and 1 other 1 3 https://audiophilestyle.com/profile/21384-solstice380/?tab=field_core_pfield_3 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted March 4, 2021 Author Share Posted March 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Hi anti-lockdown talk stuff is pedestrian compared to his racism. I don't really follow him, and can only hope he has changed his ways. People make mistakes, I get it, but this was a bridge too far for me. I was not aware of this... Wow. No electron left behind. Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Solstice380 said: We have to have some other “impossible to agree upon” topics besides whether or not cables influence sound! Tea of coffee! AudioDoctor 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post AudioDoctor Posted March 4, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2021 1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said: Tea of coffee! Coffee, this is the hill I will die on. ;-) Solstice380, Temporal_Dissident and Superdad 1 1 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
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