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2 hours ago, plissken said:

I can assure you that I'm indeed a cat. Joe is a penguin. I see him at my AA meetings.

 

Audiophiles Anonymous?

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Amir worked as a software engineer ad Microsoft, I think, before the ASR site. I think he has too much of his ego in the game there and that is dangerous. Unlike Chris, who usually let's us look like buffoons at times, Amir uses the ban hammer quickly.

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Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590

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Maybe Amir had a hissy fit and it is cheaper to send him stuff to test then to hear him whine....

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3 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

At Christmas they do a Black fig cinnamon tea that is divine - very subtle and wonderful.

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Oh, I have bought my wife some expensive teas as she loves tea. Last time it was Pu-erh tea from 1960 - they still had some (that was the year I was born :D). It was quite complex and picked from a type of tea plant they do not use any more (a red-veined varietal).

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Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590

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Even though I do not agree with Stereophile, sometimes (MQA Cough cough), I find their measurements at least understandable and reproducible. At least I trust them.

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Pre-amp - Rotel RC-1590

Amplification - Benchmark AHB2 amplifier

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14 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

Going to try this again...

 

If your Samsung Frame TV was $2K and lasted for 2 years you are maintaining that you would purchase a $14K to $40K TV if it meant you could get service for it? Why didn't you spend on a 4 year extended warranty? To take this further you would get software updates for 10 years. What you aren't going to get is increased resolution or better HDR bit rates as time goes on. The only thing that guarantees that is a newer device.

 

Your preference is your preference but honestly I don't see the logic in the spend. It's poor ROI IMO.

 

I have a 43" Pioneer Plasma that I bought in 2002 for 2500 bucks at the time. I still have it and it still works. What does that say...

 

It does weigh over 100 lbs, so moving it solo is a pain in the ass.

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If anyone wants some suggestions of where to by unique teas, US people, just PM me. Chris already did and I will share the wealth, as it were.

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20 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

 

I'm pretty sure that if we were all sitting together enjoying a beverage of our choice, that the discussion would be much more enjoyable. It can be hard to discuss some stuff via keyboard :~)

 

ZOOM.......

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Well, according to Wikipedia :D

 

"He was Vice President of Microsoft's Digital Media Division until retiring in 2008. He is an electrical engineer by degree and hobby, with professional experience including software and signal processing."

 

I wonder what he thinks of MQA....

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I mean, AMIR was into encoding sound for MS, so I get he would think that MQA is neat, but sound good? that is ridiculous. 

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57 minutes ago, plissken said:

 

I have and my conclusions are it's how mature people effectively have a debate.

A quote from the last page of that thread on Hydrogen Audio.....

 

"Chris ConMan needs the MQA money to feed his kids"

 

That is a mature comment? R I G H T ! ! !

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We cannot get into Amir's head as to what he is biased towards. So I agree - it is OVER. 😁

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Exactly. I am a lower tier person and I admit it. But, I enjoy listening to everything and all levels of equipment but I can tell you when something is off. Measurements, hearing IN YOUR ROOM, etc. all need to be done.

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5 hours ago, fas42 said:

 

And that's how it works - in part. If you have any reasonable level of passion about this game, it always obvious when a system is below par. But measuring is generally useless, as a means of providing anything useful, IME - the only thing that truly matters is knowing how to resolve what your ears are picking up - if one is obsessed with measurements meaning everything, then when you get the numbers looking better, you will try to force your brain to follow suit, as regards the hearing. Only to be punctured by your significant other commenting, "Why does the stereo sound worse at the moment ... ? 🤣

 

I said I am a lower tier person not my system is sub par. I would put my office system against many I have heard and come away grinning. The two on are not same thing. 

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4 hours ago, fas42 said:

 

This is in fact a very easy way to assess a system's performance - stereo speakers, with true mono material played over them. The worse the factors are, that degrade all the performance parameters that matter subjectively, the faster the sound will dive into the nearest speaker, when you move sideways from the central spot - this can range from head in a vice criticality, to never losing the sense of the sound coming from the space beyond the speakers, no matter how far sideways you go.

 

God, you are so full of nonsense. You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

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34 minutes ago, 57gold said:

 

Numbers don't lie, it's just your imagination or biases or subjectiveness leading you to that delusion.  

 

Did you do a statistically significant double blind test?

 

Seriously, maybe the tests did not include the headphone output circuit.

 

Numbers can lie, it depends on how they are presented. I will give an example from my past. I was sitting in a thesis defense of a friend, who was doing it on Deer Populations in New York State forests. In his presentation, he showed data that that had a Stats showing +/- 125% data. That means the data showed there was no trends but he pushed that there was. This is what I mean by numbers lying.

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1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

The other possibility is the digital VC increases the volume quite a bit, thus making a switch back and forth between them apples and oranges. I assumed leaving the levels at the same number and only switching between analog and digital would give me apples to apples. 

 

I can add something to this, backing Chris' idea. I have an Audio Research SP-16 Pre-amp. I really like the piece, how it sounds, almost everything, but the digital volume control. In this case, a logarithmic control. It can be quite annoying to set properly. Let's say that is it's foible. The reason to keep this one is it also uses easy to find tubes, 12AX7's, to be exact and a decent built-in phono stage. I will deal with that.

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I can add that my other piece, Bow Tech Wazoo integrated, it is the passive preamp. It seems you need to match things just right, with volume, the output of the pieces connected to it, etc. But, the sound when things align is worth it.

 

What a crazy hobby we have 🤣

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