bbosler Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 9:14 AM, AudioDoctor said: I hope they have worked on the Discovery some as I find it to be extremely repetitive with the albums it suggests. I second that, ... they do tend to play the same things over and over.. I'm also disappointed in the album/artist information they provide. It all comes from AllMusic which is extremely limited on artists/albums that are less main stream so they have nothing about a lot of what I listen to. Concerning sound quality, It can be easily shown that the data delivered from Roon is exactly the same as the data delivered from other music players. I don't dismiss the possibility that the different ways these programs interact with the operating system may affect some aspect of the timing of the data, but I put that on the DAC's inability to handle it. In my experience trying just about every kind of clocker, re-clocker, cable, server, etc. known to man... it's all about the DAC. YMMV. If Roon sounds different, another possibility is that the digital processing functions of Roon have been inadvertently turned on. If you click on the volume control icon (little speaker lower right corner) in Roon and select DSP it will show you what if anything is enabled. Mike Rubin 1 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
Popular Post bbosler Posted February 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2021 4 hours ago, ASRMichael said: Doesn’t make any difference how good your DAC is. The fact remains Roon sound quality compared to other players like Euphony, HQPlayer to be inferior! Given there are so few things in this hobby that are universally true and can be considered "facts".... I am happy for you that you think you found one. This may sound snarky, but I long ago discovered that most audiophiles who live in a world of absolutes are best ignored. I firmly believe in the concept of expectation bias, so once their mind is made up, they tend to hear what they want to or expect to hear. Another red flag for me is the declaration that something that is different is "inferior." I recall a grand pronouncement a while back where Taiko declared Roon changed something and the sound quality suffered. Then a few weeks later they retracted it. How did they hear a difference caused by Roon and then not hear a difference. Maybe because they expected to hear something? My point being, many things attributed to one factor such as the use of Roon may actually be caused by another, or heaven forbid, somebody thought they heard a change that didn't actually happen. 3 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: Well... What DAC do you suggest? I use an Antelope Eclipse 384 which has studio quality clocks built in. I have tried a multitude of different schemes for feeding it digital data and in my experience it handles whatever you throw at it. I have tried enough options that I'm confident that as long as the data isn't corrupted it sounds the same no matter the source. Lucky me as I don't sit there and wonder what I could do to improve it.. a good place to be. In my experience, and that is all I can go by, if a DAC is so affected by the software that is sending it the same data as another piece of software, or so affected by the hardware processing that data, or the cables carrying the data... the DAC is flawed. In my experience... note I don't declare this to be a "fact" spin33 and Urs 1 1 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 18 hours ago, AudioDoctor said: Yes, but I didn't say different, I said better. I don't find Roon by itself to sound very good. I find it acceptable on its own when running on Euphony OS, but then using it with HQPlayer still sounds better. Maybe I'm a little slow.. I understand you prefer Roon with HQPlayer enabled, what I'm not sure on is if you are processing with HQP or just passing the data through it. Curious what settings you use that cause you to hear an improvement. I also use HQP with Roon upsampling to maximum power of 2 with Poly-sinc filters. I slightly prefer the sinc-M filters but the processing delays cause songs to be cut off when using Roon radio, Also curious if this result would be the same no matter what front end you were using for HQP. In other words, is HQP making up for some inherent issue with Roon, or is it that you just like what HQP is doing no matter what comes before. see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, ASRMichael said: Euphony / HQP sounds far better than Roon / HQP not very familiar with Euphony. Are you using a complete Euphony system (hardware + software) or just running it on your computer? Are you comparing Roon and HQP when running it inside of Euphony or some other way? It looks to me like you can use Roon and HQP inside of Euphony so trying to wrap my head around what is actually going on and how you are using it. All 3 (Euphony, Roon, and HQP) can function as the file player on their own, Roon can use HQP player, Euphony can use Roon and HQP, so I don't understand how they are all integrated. looks interesting but also looks like so many options/variables it is hard to do apples to apples or even figure out how it is all configured.. like I said, maybe I'm a little slow R1200CL 1 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said: I also agree with @ASRMichael that Euphony and HQP sounds far better than Roon and HQP. . but if Euphony is the OS don't you also need a file player like Roon to use HQP, not just "Euphony and HQP"? Not being argumentative, but with the "various" ways you mention it isn't clear which of the various ways you have determined is the best see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 got it, one more and I'll leave you alone... what computer are you running Euphony on? I don't suppose you have any experience with their hardware? (sorry, that's 2 questions) see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 3:09 PM, ASRMichael said: The fact remains Roon sound quality compared to other players like Euphony, HQPlayer 2 hours ago, ASRMichael said: Euphony had free 30 days trial. Put onto usb stick & try for yourself. I’m sure your Roon Nucleus will boot Euphony. ok, fair enough... so if I get it.. Euphony is not a player, it is an OS. So how are you playing your files once you boot up Euphony? see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: man, that's been asked by you here in this thread many times, and answered each time... i never asked ASRMichael how he had it configured really don't need your condescension see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Using built in media player on Euphony OS. It’s called Euphony Stylus, clunky media player but sounds great! Y Thanks Michael, downloading now, I'll give it a try, thanks for sharing see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 hours ago, ASRMichael said: Euphony had free 30 days trial. Put onto usb stick & try for yourself. in case anybody cares. I did just that and it will not boot on either of my Mac Minis. I contacted Euphony and they said sometimes it just doesn't work, they don't know why.. see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said: That's a bummer, which year minis are they? a 2012 i5 with 16G ram and a 2018 i7 with 32G here's their response... I tried the link with same result... looks like they have given up trying to get them to work Seems like you almost exhausted all options. You can try the last one using this link: http://audiokernel.com/euphony20190214v3.img.gz Sorry about this. Some Minis just work and some don't. We never got a hand on one of those that don't but even if we did, it's hard to debug the boot process - you never get any usable info on why it fails.... see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 2/17/2021 at 3:13 AM, Mike Rubin said: The fundamental problem is that allmusic.com isn't that great a database and its writing isn't that profound. Roon needs to augment that database badly. BINGO !! at least with the music I tend to listen to, Allmusic often has nothing about the record and even with artists that aren't all that obscure they have zilch. A huge gap in my opinion for a service that seems to pride itself on data. The main page on their site crows about it Immerse yourself in photos, bios, reviews, credits, lyrics, tour dates, and more… BS Mike Rubin 1 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
bbosler Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 anybody else notice CPU usage has gone way down? Running Roon core on a 2018 i7 Mac Mini with 32gig ram, using HQP to do room correction DSP convolution, and sinc M upsampling PCM to 768K it still only shows about 4% user CPU usage and system 2%. Now, switch to DSD upsampled to 512 and user CPU goes up to 30+% see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
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