Afterdark Master Clock for Uptone EtherRegen

[Nikko1960]

Maybe I missed something on the cable discussion.  But if (like me) you have the AD clock, why not (also like me) buy their top cable?

 

https://www.adark.co/products/afterdark-project-clayx-black-river-carbon-fiber-woven-xlr-cable

[lyndonlim]

13 minutes ago, Nikko1960 said:

Maybe I missed something on the cable discussion.  But if (like me) you have the AD clock, why not (also like me) buy their top cable?

 

https://www.adark.co/products/afterdark-project-clayx-black-river-carbon-fiber-woven-xlr-cable

Thanks for the suggestion but $500 Aud is too much coin for a clock cable for atm. I would like to explore more affordable options first around the $250 mark. 

[lyndonlim]

29 minutes ago, R1200CL said:

Something to test out. 
 

22512168 - ENVIROFLEX_142

Website link to ecatalog datasheet:

Product document download (ENVIROFLEX_142) (hubersuhner.com)

 

84057576 - 11_BNC-50-3-86/133_NE 

Website link to ecatalog datasheet:

Product document download (11_BNC-50-3-86/133_NE, 11_BNC-50-3-86/133_N) (hubersuhner.com)

 

This option is cheap enough to try. Thanks. 

 

[lyndonlim]

Wow.. Martin T was right this AD clock does bring a lot to table. I was quite sceptical initially not about the product itself but more about how much an external clock for an ethernet switch could improve SQ. The sq difference i am now starting to hear is significant.. more detail, more analog, instruments seem to have more shape and lower frequency in the music which was once inaudible can now be picked up. 

 

This is a mad and addictive hobby! Thanks for sharing your experiences as it really allows the community to optimize our hard earned cash! 

[Nikko1960]

7 minutes ago, lyndonlim said:

Wow.. Martin T was right this AD clock does bring a lot to table. I was quite sceptical initially not about the product itself but more about how much an external clock for an ethernet switch could improve SQ. The sq difference i am now starting to hear is significant.. more detail, more analog, instruments seem to have more shape and lower frequency in the music which was once inaudible can now be picked up. 

 

Indeed it does.  Like you, I was doubtful as to how much a clock could add to an ethernet switch (although the impact of the ER was by then clear to me).  Therefore, I bought the entry-level Queen clock and LPS combo to begin with and, wow, nice improvement.  So much so that, six months later, I upgraded the clock to the Emperor Crown SE, a move made easier by the 100% refund Adrian kindly offered against returning the Queen.  I upgraded to his Black River clock cable at the same time.

 

The improvement was not even subtle.  I managed to convince a friend to buy an ER first, and then an Afterdark clock/LPS combo.  As I put it to him, the ER is just a vehicle to introduce the magic of a high quality OCXO clock into the reproduction stream.

[lyndonlim]

The Afterdark proposition is a crazy 'good value' for the customers. Okay no doubt their profit margin is probably massive but at the end of the day those little boxes do deliver the sonic goods. 

The deal is you can upgrade to higher levels with the full price of the product you bought going towards the upgraded model. On top of that, they offer a 10 year warranty on their products and throw in a bloody decent bnc cable. They deserve every success they get imo! 

 

Now i am tempted to get the AD clock offering to run my ER and my DCS network bridge. I wonder how much upside there is to using an external clock for the dcs network bridge. 

 

These  AD crew seem to know what they are doing. 

 

 

 

[GryphonGuy]

19 hours ago, lyndonlim said:

...What clock cable do you currently use and what would you recommend? ...

 

 

Hi I use the MTRX audio distributor ADC/DAC box and the timing is done via ethernet. In fact any external clock I connect to the MTRX detracts from the sound. So Dante to my PC and the MTRX sees excellent sound. I have two EtherRegens too but I use their internal 25MHz clocks at the moment. So no external clocking here...but some day....

 

Regards

GG

[AfterDark.]

Hi! 

 

Happy New Year 2022. 

 

We want to share the very first positive feedback in this year. This is the comments from a Emperor Signature SE customer, connecting to the EtherREGEN at the very first moment. It is a night and day differences. 

 

Have a nice weekend and enjoy music with Giesemann Clock.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 

 

[lyndonlim]

On 12/21/2021 at 1:00 AM, lyndonlim said:

Adrian's feedback on the AD stock cable:

 

 

This cable is hand teminated with Neutirk BNC plug with BELDEN 1895a cable. Thanks for your positive feedback.

After 25 days of the AD clock running, i would like to report that i prefer the Apogee Wyde 30cm cable over the Belden complimentary cable. The Belden cable presentation seems to lack body, attack and snap in the presentation vs.apogee cable. After returning from overseas i thought something had broken in my system as it was sounding so mediocre with the Belden clock cable. The weird part was the Belden sounded more detailed and open on day 5 of the AD running vs. the apogee wide. 

 

I have ordered 30cm of duelund silver bnc clock cable from Geoff of Aurealis Audio so that should make an interesting comparison. 

[sbilotta]

On 12/18/2021 at 12:08 AM, Mjw21a said:

Best clock cables I’ve run are custom Duelund pure silver, double shielded by Aurealis Audio. Just spectacular. Very lifelike presentation.

+1 for the Aurealis Dueland silver clock cable.

Made an immediate difference from cold in clarity and presentation.

Well worth the moderate price!

[Mjw21a]

27 minutes ago, sbilotta said:

+1 for the Aurealis Dueland silver clock cable.

Made an immediate difference from cold in clarity and presentation.

Well worth the moderate price!

If anything I’d call it slightly warm. :)

[FrankMA]

Hello - what are people using a s a DC cable for their AD Clocks? I have an Emperor Signature coming today to mate with my ER/Farad Super 3, but have not bought the DC cable yet.

 

I normally use Audio Sensibility Signature Silver's but they are pricey and curious if people have found something else/better.

[Mjw21a]

Just Farads Level II copper umbilical here. :)

[Johnnydev]

5 minutes ago, Mjw21a said:

Just Farads Level II copper umbilical here. :)

+1

[sbilotta]

home made Mundorf S/G with Oyaide plugs

[Mjw21a]

8 minutes ago, sbilotta said:

home made Mundorf S/G with Oyaide plugs

Interesting. I bet those are nice. Did you compare with any other umbilicals. I did find the Level II better than Level I copper but never made the switch to the silver ones. Using Neotech S/G in the signal path in my power amp but never thought to try for power.

[sbilotta]

Yes, I've compared with other copper cables, including NeoTech, but Mundorf S/G simply shines.

I also use it for my MSB DAC and Innuos Statement DC umbilicals; VERY worthwhile!

[FrankMA]

Just received my AD Emperor Signature (native 50ohm) clock for my std 75ohm ER and was surprised by the filter Adrian sent. Much different than the inline filter shown on his site.

 

Anyone else using a similar filter?

 

[AfterDark.]

1 hour ago, FrankMA said:

Just received my AD Emperor Signature (native 50ohm) clock for my std 75ohm ER and was surprised by the filter Adrian sent. Much different than the inline filter shown on his site.

 

Anyone else using a similar filter?

 

 

Hi! Frank,

 

Thanks for you message and questions. 

 

The adaptor in the picture is matching ohms adaptor, which is for native Giesemann Emperor Signature at 50ohms to be used on ER 75ohms version. 

 

There is low pass filter from Minicircuit, which can apply directly to the EtherREGEN, for your 75ohms. it requires a +75 version of low pass filter.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 

 

[FrankMA]

5 minutes ago, AfterDark. said:

 

Hi! Frank,

 

Thanks for you message and questions. 

 

The adaptor in the picture is matching ohms adaptor, which is for native Giesemann Emperor Signature at 50ohms to be used on ER 75ohms version. 

 

There is low pass filter from Minicircuit, which can apply directly to the EtherREGEN, for your 75ohms. it requires a +75 version of low pass filter.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Best Regards,

Adrian

AfterDark. 

 

 

Thank you for confirming Adrian

[FrankMA]

Is anyone using the Aurealis Dueland Silver BNC clock cables with the After Dark/EtherRegen combo successfully?

 

I was getting ready to buy one and Geoff at Aurealis mentioned he had some recent negative feedback from a user using this combo (although the Antipodes CX/EX was also in the loop) 

[richard_crl032]

12 hours ago, FrankMA said:

Is anyone using the Aurealis Dueland Silver BNC clock cables with the After Dark/EtherRegen combo successfully?

 

I was getting ready to buy one and Geoff at Aurealis mentioned he had some recent negative feedback from a user using this combo (although the Antipodes CX/EX was also in the loop) 

Hi Frank,

 

That was me but it has nothing to do with sound quality ... Geoff is cool to share this "negative feedback" before me and I will do so for clarification.

 

I bought 5 pcs of the Aurealis dueland silver version with silver plated BNC connector with carbon shielding since I am also one that is ok for aud200 cables instead of current MIJ proaudio Canare's 5.5cuhd at affordable $ but not those more ex than ER itself ... since invested already into usd4k oladra upgrade for already not inexpensive cx+ex+p1+p2 stack, 2x ERs, AD's emperor double crown clock etc.

 

The issue is that I needed the clock cables used with the ERs to run through a forest of 3-4 power and dc cables for the ER with AD's clock between my Antipodes cx and ex in close proximity and I found after days of trying that perhaps due to the level of screening or attenuation at 10Mhz, connection of ERs will drop and not work as we all know .. ER cannot hv clock signal intermittently lost. Reverting to Canare or Aplogee clock cables resolves this issue that can be 10 mins or few hours. I do not experienced the same for the ER from my wifi mesh and CX while using the china clock.

 

Geoff nicely refund me for 2 cables to keep to the same previous Canare 5.5cuhd while I kept the remaining 3 Aurealis dueland cables to sync my Avatar transport, Hermes ddc and Terminator Plus that are working fine. Can only guess that these does not have the issue of not working even if there is intermittent loss of clock signal while noting that they are not in the company of such "forest" of other power and dc cables.

 

Hopes this clarifies and I would further add that the sound quality of these cable from my Avator and DCC sounds fine and no worse than Canare and Apogee ones. No bat's ears or reviewer's superlative adjectives as well as not sure if it is the upgraded mundorf caps in my Terminator Plus completing their burning in but system seems more musical and indeed "warmer" with midrange texture without any loss of details ?

 

Btw, Canare's 5.5cuhd is vfm at few tens of dollars if in doubt and sounds great while 8cuhd with even lower 10khz attenuation is probably a bit too stiff .. do get factory terminated and tested ones.

 

Cheers.

[AfterDark.]

We have some audiophile reviews of different BNC Cable, it is worth to compare. 

 

 

[Johnnydev]

6 hours ago, AfterDark. said:

We have some audiophile reviews of different BNC Cable, it is worth to compare. 

 

 

Yes the afterdark Giesemann EVA BNC-BNC clock cable is great! 
Pay attention for the right direction!

[FrankMA]

9 hours ago, richard_crl032 said:

Hi Frank,

 

That was me but it has nothing to do with sound quality ... Geoff is cool to share this "negative feedback" before me and I will do so for clarification.

 

Hopes this clarifies and I would further add that the sound quality of these cable from my Avator and DCC sounds fine and no worse than Canare and Apogee ones. No bat's ears or reviewer's superlative adjectives as well as not sure if it is the upgraded mundorf caps in my Terminator Plus completing their burning in but system seems more musical and indeed "warmer" with midrange texture without any loss of details ?

 

Btw, Canare's 5.5cuhd is vfm at few tens of dollars if in doubt and sounds great while 8cuhd with even lower 10khz attenuation is probably a bit too stiff .. do get factory terminated and tested ones.

 

Cheers.

Thank you for your feedback @richard_crl032

 

Will also check out the Canare