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20 hours ago, Patatorz said:

SPEC using the LUCIA module of Diretta in their case with their dedicated Power Supply. Available in 2 versions : RJ45 and SFP….Link >> https://spec-corp.jp/audio/RMP-UB1/

 

Seems to be well welcomed in Japan with Diretta producing a new batch of Lucia modules for SPEC.

 


That one company adds Diretta, isn’t any prof of this technology. Same as we know a lot of companies adding MQA. And we know it’s all marketing BS. 
 

I rather believe those that claim that this technology rather do the opposite of what’s claiming to do. 
 

Adding fiber interface is always a good ting.


The creator of Diretta refuses to participate here in AS, says it all about how serious he is about this SW in my opinion.

If the technology is good, we could ask SGC, Roon, HQplayer and possibly others to implement. Not going to happen. Same with AES67 etc. It’s DOA. 

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I fully share the viewpoint of @SwissBear on the experience and the Diretta support. Always difficult to have professional to come on a forum. I was reading this afternoon some discussion around MPAudio and the request of the moderator to answer only to specific questions (always welcome) but the exercise is always borderline. They are answering quite well to support when somebody tries to implement this solution. This is perhaps all what they can do today according to their business model.

 

@R1200CLConcerning the post concerning SPEC, it is just an information and do not see anything else behind. I fully share you or view that it is not because it is adopted that it proves anything. I would not use the same words as you as i try to remain polite. Please take some holidays in France and make a stop at home to listen and discuss.

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4 hours ago, hopkins said:

 

Yes, no need especially when you can continue on the French forum with a more captive audience. 


But to get back to the subject matter, and put this bickering aside, I am just as curious as you to find out what various solutions can bring to the table.

 

Since the time I started the thread on Diretta (not this one), I have found another simpler solution that suits me, and that's why I am no longer interested in testing it myself. Otherwise, I would have probably done so. I've tested a lot of things before, its part of the fun of the hobby. 

 

However, we cannot try everything. Have you tried PGGB, for example? Seems to be the latest thing to try. When you read the thread, they are pretty clear about the prerequisites and pros and cons, so you can make an informed choice to test it or not. 

 

Testing takes time, and sometimes requires specific skills. As you mentioned, it would be good if Diretta had some clearer instructions. Your tutorial on your blog is certainly helpful, and you could mention it here. Regardless, not everyone may be comfortable setting all this up, and it may not be a relevant solution for everyone. 

 

If you read this forum, you will see many people trying out various solutions, so I don't think you can say they are not open and adventurous enough to try this. 

 

You just have to be a little patient and wait until more people try it out and compare it. If Diretta is robust and adds value, then I am sure people will come around to it. Until then, don't forget: Enjoy Life Patatorz 😉

Not sure why you are making all your posts very personal Mr Hopkins who left a french forum insulting everybody, asking people to stop posting on « his thread » . If it is the way you like to interact with people, it is not mine.

I have nothing to sell, nothing to prove. Writing a tutorial is just here to support anybody that would like to try as I’m fully aligned on the fact that Diretta (even SPEC) support is not enough to implement it and this solution remains a « niche » and a more a DIY solution. I agree with you on PGGB and according to their statement, yes i will not try personally but it does not mean that i would not listen.

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33 minutes ago, Patatorz said:

Not sure why you are making all your posts very personal Mr Hopkins who left a french forum insulting everybody, asking people to stop posting on « his thread » . If it is the way you like to interact with people, it is not mine.

 

 

Ouch, low blow ! 😂

I am just answering you - since you made this personal, and visibly continue to do so, making false accusations on top of it.  I joined AudiophileStyle because the level of discussion is more interesting than on forum-hifi, where every single thread turns into a boring discussion between "objectivists" and "subjectivists" and turns to chaos, as did the thread I had started there. It is funny in fact to read some threads and see on one page that 90% of the members have either been banned or decided to cancel their membership, as I did. English is also my mother tongue, and I like to be in a more international "context". I did not insult anyone on the French forum, and continue to interact with some very nice people I met on that forum.

 

Things are generally more constructive here on AudiophileStyle, and I am glad you choose to discuss Diretta here. 

 

 

You may notice that AudiophileStyle probably has much less topics involving heavy "DIY" as that French forum does. The "public" is a little different. Personally, I prefer to refer to specialists when it comes to "tinkering", than amateurs, but I respect the efforts that some put into all this. Unfortunately digital audio is so complex that one really has to be very cautious when claiming things - there are too many variables involved. This is often the pitfall of amateurish DIY. But I am getting sidetracked...

 

33 minutes ago, Patatorz said:

I have nothing to sell, nothing to prove. Writing a tutorial is just here to support anybody that would like to try as I’m fully aligned on the fact that Diretta (even SPEC) support is not enough to implement it and this solution remains a « niche » and a more a DIY solution. I agree with you on PGGB and according to their statement, yes i will not try personally but it does not mean that i would not listen.

 

I know you have nothing to sell - nothing to prove may be another matter, judging by the fact you become so quickly aggressive and personal if anything is said about this "solution". Why take things so personally ?

 

I would definitely listen to Diretta if I have the opportunity to test it in someone else's system, and will not fail to report back here if I do.

 

I think we can both agree to stop this bickering, and let the thread follow its course with feedback and constructive comments ?

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Thanks Nobi for your feedbacks. Some french users were able to test the Aperitivo and compared it to a Diretta Target with SFP connection. Seems that having a fiber connection between the host and the target is at least as good as the aperitivo on different systems. Just a feedback for free.

 

Diretta just released the Lucia Piccolo Development kit and Oliospec is the first one to put it on the market with the nice name of Canarino :-) Let's see. 

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I am a happy Diretta user, mainly using Linux for the host, however I have been struggling to get it to work from a Windows host.

Using an Afterdark Rosanna Diretta Network Bridge as target, it works fine and is recognized from my NUC with either Linux (GentooPlayer) or Windows 11, but not from my main Windows PC. I ordered a powerful Beelink Mini PC hoping that I could get it to work there, but alas, again no luck. No target is found in the Diretta configuration tool. I am using two network adapters: one connected to the router (i.e. home network) and one installed for Diretta (IPv6) going directly to the target (not on the home network). I tried many things: resetting the network, disabling the firewall, swapping network adapters, etc., copying all network settings from the NUC (the only devices that does see the target when using Windows in the exact same configuration) but to no avail: the Diretta host never sees the target on the main Windows PC and the Beelink.

 

Support on the Diretta forum is virtually nonexistent. I also posted this question on the French forum-hifi.fr and there the members were  very helpful, but no solution was found. As a last resort I post the question here. Without a solution I have to accept that I can only use Diretta from a Linux box (as the Windows NUC is not powerful enough for HQPlayer's more demanding filters/modulators).

 

Ideas are very welcome.

 

audio system

 

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1 hour ago, bodiebill said:

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one installed for Diretta (IPv6) going directly to the target (not on the home network).

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Ideas are very welcome.


Is ipv6 activated on your Beelink and the main Windows PC?

Euphony (NUC7DNKE: Roon or Stylus) --> Euphony EP (NUC7CJYH: Roon Bridge or NAA or StylusEP) --> Matrix Audio X-SPDIF 2 --> Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (MQA) (I2S) -->

Euphony (NUC7DNKE: Roon) --> WS 2019 Core (i7-8700: HQPlayer, JPLAY Femto, Roon Bridge, MinorityClean) / Matrix Audio Element H --> Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (MQA) (USB) --> B & M Prime 6

Synology DS 112+ (LMS) --> pi3B+/HifiBerry Digi + Pro (PiCorePlayer) --> Matrix Audio X-Sabre Pro (MQA) (SPDIF) -->  

bedroom: pi3/DigiOne (RoPieee) --> S.M.S.L M500 --> KRK Rokit 5 or AKG 712 Pro

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1 hour ago, bodiebill said:

I am a happy Diretta user, mainly using Linux for the host, however I have been struggling to get it to work from a Windows host.

Using an Afterdark Rosanna Diretta Network Bridge as target, it works fine and is recognized from my NUC with either Linux (GentooPlayer) or Windows 11, but not from my main Windows PC. I ordered a powerful Beelink Mini PC hoping that I could get it to work there, but alas, again no luck. No target is found in the Diretta configuration tool. I am using two network adapters: one connected to the router (i.e. home network) and one installed for Diretta (IPv6) going directly to the target (not on the home network). I tried many things: resetting the network, disabling the firewall, swapping network adapters, etc., copying all network settings from the NUC (the only devices that does see the target when using Windows in the exact same configuration) but to no avail: the Diretta host never sees the target on the main Windows PC and the Beelink.

 

Support on the Diretta forum is virtually nonexistent. I also posted this question on the French forum-hifi.fr and there the members were  very helpful, but no solution was found. As a last resort I post the question here. Without a solution I have to accept that I can only use Diretta from a Linux box (as the Windows NUC is not powerful enough for HQPlayer's more demanding filters/modulators).

 

Ideas are very welcome.

What version of Diretta ASIO driver is used?

A little old driver might work well.

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9 hours ago, Nobi said:

What version of Diretta ASIO driver is used?

A little old driver might work well.

DirettaASIOdriver_1_109_1

I looked for older versions but have not yet found them.

 

9 hours ago, Holzohr said:


Is ipv6 activated on your Beelink and the main Windows PC?

Yes:

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I also tried to set the metric for IPv6 to 100 (instead of automatic) as advised on the French forum, but did did not help.

 

Just now I used the Diretta find tool to check the connections on the Beelink and the NUC. This resulted in:

 

result of find.exe on Beelink:

fe80::6beb:4408:c642:83fa ifno:6 [Diretta] [Realtek Gaming 2.5GbE Family Controller]
fe80::ca26:f826:e935:fe6f ifno:11 [Ethernet] [Lenovo USB Ethernet]
1:Target : 0x7261447265746641 [fe80::72b3:d5ff:fec9:230%6] AfterDark._Bridge_1C9D
 Version : 3_110_12
  1:Sink : 6 fe80::72b3:d5ff:fec9:230, 19644 Combo384 Amanero
target debug connect (exit:0)?

 

result of find.exe on  NUC:

fe80::58d0:469e:68a4:dac4 ifno:3 [Diretta] [Intel(R) Ethernet Connection (6) I219-V]
fe80::61a9:63d0:230:c43d ifno:10 [Internet] [Lenovo USB Ethernet]
1:Target : 0x7261447265746641 [fe80::72b3:d5ff:fec9:230%3] AfterDark._Bridge_1C9D
 Version : 3_110_12
  1:Sink : 3 fe80::72b3:d5ff:fec9:230, 19644 Combo384 Amanero
target debug connect (exit:0)?

 

Apparently the target is found on both, including the Amanero board of the Audio-GD DI20HE DDC.

 

And indeed on the NUC the target is seen in the Diretta config tool:

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But not on the Beelink:

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Still scratching my head...

 

audio system

 

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47 minutes ago, Nobi said:

https://www.diretta.link/download/
DirettaASIOdriver_1_100_0.msi

 

Why don't you try this version? I have a few Diretta targets and this version can find all targets while the newer does not.

I don't know why but this version is sufficiently stable. Once you update your target then the newer version may find your target.

 

Thanks you @Nobi. It works! I was struggling with this issue, on and off, for more than a year, so I am happy and grateful!

I will now continue installing the Beelink and compare different configurations. :-)

 

The Beelink will either be the host with Audirvana Studio or HQPlayer, or the control point sending the audio files to the GentooPlayer host running APlayer, aprenderer, mpd or HQP embedded, all depending on sound quality. So far I have not been able to match the SQ of Audirvana, APlayer or aprenderer with HQP(e) but the purpose of the Beelink is to be able to upsample to DSD256 or DSD512 using HQP.(e)'s more demanding modulators to give HQP another chance.

 

 

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