The Computer Audiophile Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 View full article Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
PeterG Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Hi Chris, Thanks for the great review. I was expecting a $20K price tag at the end, but at "only" $5K this may be the solution I've been looking for to add streaming to my system. I currently use a Naim Uniti Core for 100% of my listening--it is a purpose built CD ripper and server, local only. I've tried streaming a couple of times, but on my primary system, Qobuz cannot match local files for the last little shimmer. Did you compare Qobuz to local files on the Aurilic for sound quality? Could you tell the difference? Link to comment
Rcanoe Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Very glowing review. I just don't get the copper em shield and springs in the feet features. To me that is a distraction. Mac Mini 2007: 1.83GHz Core 2 Duo, 3 Gig RAM, 500 Gig 5400 RPM HD[br]OSX 10.6.6, TimeMachine Off, Airport Off, Dedicated to Music[br]HAGUSB USB-->S/PDIF[br]Players: Audirvana, ITunes[br]Music Library: RedBook 16/44 WAV[br]Bryston BP26DA Preamp/DAC[br]Bryston 3BSST Amp[br]B&W 804s Loudspeakers[br] Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 3, 2020 Author Share Posted December 3, 2020 2 hours ago, PeterG said: Hi Chris, Thanks for the great review. I was expecting a $20K price tag at the end, but at "only" $5K this may be the solution I've been looking for to add streaming to my system. I currently use a Naim Uniti Core for 100% of my listening--it is a purpose built CD ripper and server, local only. I've tried streaming a couple of times, but on my primary system, Qobuz cannot match local files for the last little shimmer. Did you compare Qobuz to local files on the Aurilic for sound quality? Could you tell the difference? I didn't do a direct comparison of local versus streaming. That's kind of a crapshoot. I stored all my content not available for streaming locally and streamed the rest while using the ARIES. Overall it's a fantastic system. PeterG 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post bbosler Posted December 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2020 I read the review, but to be honest, not being familiar at all with Aurilic, I was almost done before it started to become clear what type of device I was reading about. I saw it is a "streaming Transporter" on the front of it in the picture but that could mean different things, and googling the term it appears to be something that is used only by Aurilic because all the hits I got were for Aurilic.. .. It was many paragraphs in before I ran across "Many DACs have somewhat similar capabilities" so I then knew it was a DAC, until I realized later on it is not a DAC after looking at the picture of the back panel. Then you said it would make a great centerpiece for my system, but I still had no idea what it was. maybe I'm the only one, but for these types of devices I find it extremely helpful if there is a list of features, and early on in the review a statement about what it is/does. If I may be so bold as to offer a suggestion, not all of your readers are as consumed with this stuff as you are so maybe you could dumb it down a bit , or at least offer some idea of the function of the device in the introduction , for those of use who aren't so well informed.. or a sidebar with functions. thanks Teresa, Maxx, thotdoc and 6 others 8 1 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
Popular Post McNulty Posted December 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2020 A review without sonic comparisons to functionally similar products is no review IMO. Urs, gln2, cfisher and 1 other 4 Link to comment
firedog Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 hours ago, McNulty said: A review without sonic comparisons to functionally similar products is no review IMO. I also like comparisons, but it isn't Chris' style. There are reviewers who compare and others who don't. It's a philosophical difference in how to approach reviewing. I don't think you'll find what you are looking for in Chris' reviews. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
firedog Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 hours ago, bbosler said: I read the review, but to be honest, not being familiar at all with Aurilic, I was almost done before it started to become clear what type of device I was reading about. I saw it is a "streaming Transporter" on the front of it in the picture but that could mean different things, and googling the term it appears to be something that is used only by Aurilic because all the hits I got were for Aurilic.. .. It was many paragraphs in before I ran across "Many DACs have somewhat similar capabilities" so I then knew it was a DAC, until I realized later on it is not a DAC after looking at the picture of the back panel. Then you said it would make a great centerpiece for my system, but I still had no idea what it was. maybe I'm the only one, but for these types of devices I find it extremely helpful if there is a list of features, and early on in the review a statement about what it is/does. If I may be so bold as to offer a suggestion, not all of your readers are as consumed with this stuff as you are so maybe you could dumb it down a bit , or at least offer some idea of the function of the device in the introduction , for those of use who aren't so well informed.. or a sidebar with functions. thanks I'm familiar with the products, but I agree that if you weren't it wouldn't have been clear if the device is just a transport or also includes a DAC. Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
Popular Post Danny Kaey Posted December 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2020 Great stuff Chris! Love that everyone has their own style on how to review products... 💯💥 The Computer Audiophile and cfisher 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post kennyb123 Posted December 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 4, 2020 9 hours ago, firedog said: I also like comparisons, but it isn't Chris' style. There are reviewers who compare and others who don't. It's a philosophical difference in how to approach reviewing. I don't think you'll find what you are looking for in Chris' reviews. Well said. I get more from reviews that contain comparisons but I still enjoy reading what Chris has to say. This is a product that hadn’t been on my radar due to not having the best experience with the original Aries. A few things Chris shared about the company and this product have put them back on my radar. It was definitely worth my time to read this so thanks @The Computer Audiophile for posting it. The Computer Audiophile and Blake 1 1 Digital: Sonore opticalModule > Uptone EtherRegen > Shunyata Sigma Ethernet > Antipodes K30 > Shunyata Omega USB > Gustard X26pro DAC < Mutec REF10 SE120 Amp & Speakers: Spectral DMA-150mk2 > Aerial 10T Foundation: Stillpoints Ultra, Shunyata Denali v1 and Typhon x1 power conditioners, Shunyata Delta v2 and QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation and Infinity power cords, QSA Lanedri Gamma Revelation XLR interconnect, Shunyata Sigma Ethernet, MIT Matrix HD 60 speaker cables, GIK bass traps, ASC Isothermal tube traps, Stillpoints Aperture panels, Quadraspire SVT rack, PGGB 256 Link to comment
57gold Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Am not the sharpest knife in the CA drawer, but not sure what this product does? What and why will it make music sound better? Tone with Soul Link to comment
firedog Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 3 hours ago, 57gold said: Am not the sharpest knife in the CA drawer, but not sure what this product does? What and why will it make music sound better? Essentially, it's a network bridge like the Sonore Rendu series or the dCS bridge. The difference is that it has a lot of added functionality: the Auralic Lightning DS UI, multiple inputs, DSP - upsampling, ability to add storage, and a screen. You could use one of these and not need a separate server or outside UI software. The Computer Audiophile 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
R1200CL Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I wonder if Auralic will, or see the need of, adding fiber interface in next version. Or if an optical module or the EtherRegen upfront will make any difference. It would be interesting to know if an upgrade from an opticalRendu to Auralic, dCS, Aqua LinQ, and similar network transports will make a change. I suppose this answer will depend on what DAC in use. Link to comment
audiobomber Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I also like comparisons. What would be particularly interesting to me would be a reference streamer or CD Transport that tested streamers could be compared with, i.e. a constant benchmark. Vibration control is a very interesting feature and sadly neglected in many otherwise fine components. I am using a Cambridge Audio isolation platform and thin sorbothane discs under my exaSound DAC and streamer, a highly worthwhile solution. I just ordered an IsoAcoustics zaZen for the exaSound gear. The Cambridge will go back to isolating my CD transport, where it belongs. Main System: QNAP TS-451+ NAS > Silent Angel Bonn N8 > Sonore opticalModule Deluxe v2 > Corning SMF with Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs > Uptone EtherREGEN > exaSound PlayPoint and e32 Mk-II DAC > Meitner MTR-101 Plus monoblocks > Bamberg S5-MTM sealed standmount speakers. Crown XLi 1500 powering AV123 Rocket UFW10 stereo subwoofers Upgraded power on all switches, renderer and DAC. Link to comment
Popular Post ted_b Posted December 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 5, 2020 I'd love to know what Chris thinks of its upsampling compared to running upsampling via a heavyweight server and HQPlayer, something he's done also. Ben-M, The Computer Audiophile and Solstice380 3 "We're all bozos on this bus"....F.T. My JRIver tutorial videos Actual JRIver tutorial MP4 video links My eleven yr old SACD Ripping Guide for PS3 (needs updating but still works) US Technical Advisor, NativeDSD.com Link to comment
PeterG Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 On 12/4/2020 at 7:30 AM, firedog said: I also like comparisons, but it isn't Chris' style. There are reviewers who compare and others who don't. It's a philosophical difference in how to approach reviewing. I don't think you'll find what you are looking for in Chris' reviews. Chris's reviews are great--he's one of the best. But they would be even better with more comparisons. Also, many of his reviews do include comparisons--RAAL requisite, Klipsch Three, Schiit Yggdrasil come to mind quickly. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 8 hours ago, audiobomber said: reference streamer I think you just got that in this review 😀 Link to comment
audiobomber Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 hours ago, R1200CL said: I think you just got that in this review 😀 Sure, the G2.1 would work as a reference, i.e. something to compare others to. Main System: QNAP TS-451+ NAS > Silent Angel Bonn N8 > Sonore opticalModule Deluxe v2 > Corning SMF with Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs > Uptone EtherREGEN > exaSound PlayPoint and e32 Mk-II DAC > Meitner MTR-101 Plus monoblocks > Bamberg S5-MTM sealed standmount speakers. Crown XLi 1500 powering AV123 Rocket UFW10 stereo subwoofers Upgraded power on all switches, renderer and DAC. Link to comment
Account Closed Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 23 hours ago, 57gold said: Am not the sharpest knife in the CA drawer, but not sure what this product does? What and why will it make music sound better? It’s a $5,000 computer. :) Link to comment
bbosler Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 8:36 AM, audiobomber said: also like comparisons. What would be particularly interesting to me would be a reference streamer or CD Transport that tested streamers could be compared with, i.e. a constant benchmark. well, you would think that since Chris also has a $20K + Aurender W20SE that does basically the same thing, we could get some kind of comparison along the lines of why someone would choose to spend $20K+ versus $5K for this box audiobomber 1 see my system at Audiogon https://systems.audiogon.com/systems/768 Link to comment
OldBigEars Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 12/4/2020 at 12:51 AM, McNulty said: A review without sonic comparisons to functionally similar products is no review IMO. It's an awkward situation for publishers. Comparative reviews always have losers....meaning unhappy sponsors and advertisers. It's a commercial predicament all reviewers face - Chris is no different. One common practice is that some reviewers compare products with outlier brands, often products that would not realistically be main competitor(s) for the tested product. It's a facade, but it at least gives some kind of reference point. Another one is to basically rank all the products in more or less in the same order as their prices - we can call this the "everyone wins" review. Obviously anyone reading this review would dearly appreciate an honest and qualified assessment of how it compares with other favorites - such as the Innuous Mk3 Statement or Sonore Signature, to name but two. Sadly this remains an elephant in the room. My take-away is that we're meant to use some kind of triangulation process to discover how this product really ranks, compared with similarly targeted products. DuckToller 1 Tidal / Qobuz--> Roon--> Fios Gigabit--> Netgear Prosafe GS105 --> Supra 8-->EtherRegen --> Fiber--> opticalRendu / CI Audio LPS --> Curious Evolved Link --> Chord Qutest--> AQ Water --> Belles Aria Integrated--> AQ Robin Hood--> Kudos Super 20's Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 There is no comparison that would satisfy the majority of people. All the products mentioned so far are different from the ARIES with respect to feature set. Thus, a comparison is quite strange. In addition, if this was consumer reports and we purchased all the products, we’d have all the freedoms we want. However, we request review samples. We don’t ask manufacturers to supply components for us to use indefinitely and compare to everything that comes in. Who wants their product to live at a writer’s house for purposes of comparison with unknown future products that may or may not be even similar products? No manufacturers that I know, even if the products are the best. Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
The Computer Audiophile Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 P.S. I compared the Auralic software platform to Bryston’s in this review, yet nobody was happy. Ben-M 1 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
thotdoc Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 1:13 AM, firedog said: Essentially, it's a network bridge like the Sonore Rendu series or the dCS bridge. The difference is that it has a lot of added functionality: the Auralic Lightning DS UI, multiple inputs, DSP - upsampling, ability to add storage, and a screen. You could use one of these and not need a separate server or outside UI software. I thought and still think, perhaps incorrectly, that it's a transporter, more SCG's sonic transporter with ripper, not Sonore's Rendus. Chris, you have to appreciate that your readers have built fairly sophisticated digital systems and within the group different people think this product is different things. I think it's pretty funny. Main: sonicTransporter I5>etherRegen>opticalRendu/ghent/UltraCap 1.2> WireWorld Platinum>YGGY Atma-sphere MP-1 3.1> Hegel 30> Maggie 1.7, REL SE 212: Zero Autoformers, Interconnects , Analysis Plus Silver Oval-In, Nordost Heimdall, Power Cables: Synergistic./Shunyata>Chang Litespeed HT:Dish>OPPO>Marantz>Hegel> 3-Maggies/2-Quads>REL Gibraltar>Custom Wire loom>APS>Samsung Plasma 55" Link to comment
Popular Post audiobomber Posted December 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 7, 2020 2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: P.S. I compared the Auralic software platform to Bryston’s in this review, yet nobody was happy. But no mention of sound quality vs. the Bryston. I believe that is the objection. Slick operation is available at much lower price points. McNulty and Rcanoe 2 Main System: QNAP TS-451+ NAS > Silent Angel Bonn N8 > Sonore opticalModule Deluxe v2 > Corning SMF with Finisar FTLF1318P3BTL SFPs > Uptone EtherREGEN > exaSound PlayPoint and e32 Mk-II DAC > Meitner MTR-101 Plus monoblocks > Bamberg S5-MTM sealed standmount speakers. Crown XLi 1500 powering AV123 Rocket UFW10 stereo subwoofers Upgraded power on all switches, renderer and DAC. Link to comment
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