smith123 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Hi, It looks like this: Fiber connection -> Ethernet cable -> Ubiquiti PoE adapter -> Ethernet cable -> Edgerouter X -> Ethernet cable -> UniFi AC Lite ROON ROCK computer and Streamer connected to the Edgerouter X with ethernet. Thinking of trying some Supra CAT 8 cables. Would I have to change all ethernet cables to notice any (possible) difference or could I start with with the streamer for example? I do not have any issues but are curious to see if I can notice any difference in my system. Cheers.😀 Link to comment
Popular Post plissken Posted November 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2020 I would say you don't need anything other than cables that meet the ISO / IEEE spec. Check out these Panduit patch cables: https://www.amazon.com/Panduit-UTPSP7BUL-Conductor-Ethernet-Category/dp/B01384A1SA Use them where ever you have patch cabling. Ethernet cables don't affect SQ. audiobomber, Bevok and R1200CL 1 1 1 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, smith123 said: Hi, It looks like this: Fiber connection -> Ethernet cable -> Ubiquiti PoE adapter -> Ethernet cable -> Edgerouter X -> Ethernet cable -> UniFi AC Lite ROON ROCK computer and Streamer connected to the Edgerouter X with ethernet. Thinking of trying some Supra CAT 8 cables. Would I have to change all ethernet cables to notice any (possible) difference or could I start with with the streamer for example? I do not have any issues but are curious to see if I can notice any difference in my system. Cheers.😀 I would suggest to try Meicord cables. Used Supra CAT8 prior to Meicord. In any case try to stay with UTP cables. Link to comment
smith123 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 22 hours ago, plissken said: Ethernet cables don't affect SQ. I actually (sadly) noticed a difference with the Supra between router and streamer. I had more of a “digital glare?” before. It is a bit more smooth and pleasant now. 22 hours ago, AnotherSpin said: I would suggest to try Meicord cables. A already had a Supra on the way. The Supra is a bit cheaper so I think I will go for more of those. You think that the Meicord is clearly better? Link to comment
jabbr Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Try the cables in Maui, they will sound better. lpost 1 Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 27 minutes ago, smith123 said: A already had a Supra on the way. The Supra is a bit cheaper so I think I will go for more of those. You think that the Meicord is clearly better? I've been using both Supra and Meicord and still have both brands cables, in Supra case not only ethernet, but usb and xlr as well. If I compare Supra CAT8 (which is very good cable for its cost) with Meicord, the former sounds very nice and immediately attractive, while latter gives more analogue, neutral sound. Meicord is a small German producer of ethernet cables only. I tend to trust the position of Miska, HQPlayer developer, who insists that UTP type ethernet cables should be used in audio. (You may search forum for his detailed explanation why). Meicord is UTP cable. Along with everything said, Supra is a good and popular cable, and the choice of a particular cable is closely related to the personal preferences and features of the components used in audio set. Link to comment
Popular Post AnotherSpin Posted November 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, jabbr said: Try the cables in Maui, they will sound better. No need to fly to Maui, bottle of vodka changes all parts of audio for much better and much sooner. mav52, jabbr and MarkoL 1 1 1 Link to comment
Popular Post jabbr Posted November 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2020 30 minutes ago, AnotherSpin said: No need to fly to Maui, bottle of vodka changes all parts of audio for much better and much sooner. True but the question is "where to try the cables first" For your first time, I can't think of a better place than Haleakala at sunrise. motberg and mav52 2 Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, jabbr said: True but the question is "where to try the cables first" For your first time, I can't think of a better place than Haleakala at sunrise. I noticed some time ago that being on one of the tropical paradise islands, I usually do not feel the desire to hear anything but the sounds of nature. But again, this is a personal preference. motberg 1 Link to comment
plissken Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, smith123 said: I actually (sadly) noticed a difference with the Supra between router and streamer. I had more of a “digital glare?” before. It is a bit more smooth and pleasant now. I've an $8000 offer to anyone that can tell this apart blind. Bevok 1 Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Why 8? Not 7 or 9 thousands? Link to comment
plissken Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 3:17 PM, AnotherSpin said: UTP type ethernet cables should be used in audio. Shielded Ethernet cables that have their shield tied to ground on both ends can pass noise. UTP cables have no ground connectivity. I've posted about this over the years and google for Seimons 'The Antenna Myth' and T.I. paper on radiated emissions of 10/100 Ethernet PHY. Link to comment
plissken Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 4:22 PM, AnotherSpin said: Why 8? Not 7 or 9 thousands? For you I'll make it $20K to your $2K. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, plissken said: Shielded Ethernet cables that have their shield tied to ground on both ends can pass noise. Not all. Audioquest Vodka doesn’t as one example. Gent’s option as another example. https://www.ghentaudio.com/pc/et11.html But if you purchase standard cables according to official specification, Plisken is correct, and those should be avoided. Blue jeans cables is a good option as well. Many has reported that they like the Supra. Link to comment
davide256 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 11/25/2020 at 1:42 PM, smith123 said: Hi, It looks like this: Fiber connection -> Ethernet cable -> Ubiquiti PoE adapter -> Ethernet cable -> Edgerouter X -> Ethernet cable -> UniFi AC Lite ROON ROCK computer and Streamer connected to the Edgerouter X with ethernet. Thinking of trying some Supra CAT 8 cables. Would I have to change all ethernet cables to notice any (possible) difference or could I start with with the streamer for example? I do not have any issues but are curious to see if I can notice any difference in my system. Cheers.😀 Spend your money on a better NUC PS. Or get a refurbished Cisco Catalyst switch with better behaved Ethernet ports to hang your NUC and streamer off of.. Ethernet cables aren't going to change/improve data packets already in flight but a better PS or Ethernet switch will make your equipment operate closer to ideal when handling origination and termination of data packets. Cables matter in the analog domain, if you feel the itch to experiment with better cables, Kimber Hero interconnects are a safe bet Regards, Dave Audio system Link to comment
plissken Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 14 hours ago, R1200CL said: Not all. Audioquest Vodka doesn’t as one example. I said 'that have shield tied at both ends'. You can have floated shield also. Link to comment
smith123 Posted December 2, 2020 Author Share Posted December 2, 2020 Ok, I have now had more time to compare. There is a definitive difference with my gear according to my ears. No night and day difference but easy to recognise. The first cable between router and streamer gave more body and took away some of the edge. It dampened the sound though and took away some of the excitement. Supra cables between PoE-adapter ->router and ROCK ROCK ->router gave further differences. I kept the body but the sound opened up more and was more detailed. A background guitar did for example pop out more and was easier to follow and a backup vocalist was more clearly defined and easier to follow in the soundstage. I actually tried a Supra CAT-cable way back with a Allo streamer. I had I grounding issue then and returned it. I have not had any issues this time. I could and would have returned the cables if there was no positive difference. But I would say that they are well worth the small investment in my system. I personally would not buy clearly more expensive cables though. It is worth noticing that the cables replaced three ultra flat CAT6a patch cables (U/UTP). They seem inferior to much that is out there. There is maybe far less difference between better standard (non-hifi) cables and the Supra. Link to comment
mav52 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 3:51 PM, jabbr said: True but the question is "where to try the cables first" For your first time, I can't think of a better place than Haleakala at sunrise. The wife and I go every year to Maui, and Covid sure screwed that up for us this year., We and 2 other couples bought a home in Haiku on the north shore not to far from Jaws. Haleakala at sunrise a must for a newbie. Pack a darn warm jacket. At the top, temperatures during dark hours can be 30 degrees less than sea level. jabbr 1 The Truth Is Out There Link to comment
jabbr Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/26/2020 at 4:07 PM, plissken said: I've an $8000 offer to anyone that can tell this apart blind. No one will take your offer ... Custom room treatments for headphone users. Link to comment
R1200CL Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 hour ago, jabbr said: No one will take your offer ... He, he, well if we could set the terms, like doing how “normal” people listen to music, especially NOT removing cables, I wouldn’t mind. BTW: EtherRegen has got a very nice review in December issue of TAS. And in January number it will get The product of the year. @plissken is the one of 2 persons, out of more than 2000 purchased EtherRegen, that returned the EtherRegen. Now that said, I like the claims and discussion about 10 GB Ethernet utilized using SFP+, may equalize some of EtherRegen’s magic. Also, since Uptone knew about this article, they should probably provide some measurements as well. (Maybe TAS doesn’t normally print such anyway). motberg 1 Link to comment
plissken Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 38 minutes ago, R1200CL said: He, he, well if we could set the terms, like doing how “normal” people listen to music, especially NOT removing cables, I wouldn’t mind. Don't people have to remove their generic Ethernet cable to insert their super duper cable? What terms would you set? Link to comment
R1200CL Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, plissken said: What terms would you set? Well, this is part of the discussion of buffers. And more. Keep any cable. But with or without EtherRegen inserted. And not pulling the plug, meaning no buffers, or buffers below a second I suppose. Easiest would be using Roon. (Tidal & Qobuz). I don’t mind HQPlayer embedded in the chain. Anyway I’m OT now. Unless you like the OP to pull out the cable 😀 Link to comment
plissken Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, R1200CL said: Well, this is part of the discussion of buffers. And more. Keep any cable. But with or without EtherRegen inserted. And not pulling the plug, meaning no buffers, or buffers below a second I suppose. Easiest would be using Roon. (Tidal & Qobuz). I don’t mind HQPlayer embedded in the chain. How is using a front end like Roon to host Tidal better than Tidal. I'm all in agreement for Tidal. I don't understand the pull the plug part. I proposing what thousands of fellow audiophiles have done and they have been 'pulling the plug'. Link to comment
RikkiPoo Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I have 3 switches Etherregen, SOtM sNH 10G and English Electric 8Switch with two SOtM dCLB CAT7's and an iSO Cat6 and fiber between the Etherregen and 10G. The SOtM cables are amazing. After all that I added a Network Acoustics ENO Ethernet Filter Ag and was really surprised that it further reduced the noise level and added life and naturalness. They have a 30 day trial offer. Your missing out if you don't give it a try. I haven't tried their ethernet cables but I did buy a USB Ag cable that was much better than the Curious Cable. I feel both products were excellent value for the price. Link to comment
AnotherSpin Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 8 hours ago, RikkiPoo said: I have 3 switches Etherregen, SOtM sNH 10G and English Electric 8Switch with two SOtM dCLB CAT7's and an iSO Cat6 and fiber between the Etherregen and 10G. The SOtM cables are amazing. After all that I added a Network Acoustics ENO Ethernet Filter Ag and was really surprised that it further reduced the noise level and added life and naturalness. They have a 30 day trial offer. Your missing out if you don't give it a try. I haven't tried their ethernet cables but I did buy a USB Ag cable that was much better than the Curious Cable. I feel both products were excellent value for the price. Could it be that when using clean UTP cables there is no need for additional filters, etc.? Link to comment
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