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Dutch&Dutch 8C- The Kii Three Slayer?


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I have listened to them both side by side and I also liked the sound of the D&D 8Cs more. They have a bigger cabinet and they do sound bigger with better bass and soundstage.
I thought the D&D 8Cs sounded more like my big active ATCs. If I were to downsize my system I would definitely go for a pair of D&D 8Cs.

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I have them both in my house right now.  I have the Kii BXT also.    At their price points I would not hesitate to put either one of them on the check out list.  They both have some warts.  The 8Cs are not wife friendly.  THEY ARE BIG.  The Kii on the BXT has a very modern look and they come is some really nice colors.  They may not be wife friendly either.  Both can be very nicely placed near the front wall.

 

The 8Cs have had some software issues and someday they may be Roon Endpoints.  The Kii Control gives you a lot of flexibility on inputs. 

 

Feed either of them with a Good analog source and good XLR cables and you will be rewarded.    

 

For the Kii + BXT get four power cords and feed each BXT and KII speaker directly, do not feed through the BXT "extension Cord.  Also run the good XLR cable directly to the Kii Three not through the BXT.  I would also make sure to have a clean power feed to the breaker.  Just count the number of amplifiers in the full set of Kii's!  

 

The 8c's need some stable stands.  They are about 60lbs each.  Bolt them to the stands.  

The Kii Threes are lighter but tall they need good stands too.  Unless you have the BXTs!

 

There is very little that can compete with a Kii Three + BXT.  

 

And do read what @mitchco has written on these speakers.  

 

Oh and really take a look at floor coupling.  Isoacoustics might just be your best friend.  

 

bob

 

 

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5 hours ago, bobfa said:

I have them both in my house right now.  I have the Kii BXT also.    At their price points I would not hesitate to put either one of them on the check out list.  They both have some warts.  The 8Cs are not wife friendly.  THEY ARE BIG.  The Kii on the BXT has a very modern look and they come is some really nice colors.  They may not be wife friendly either.  Both can be very nicely placed near the front wall.

 

The 8Cs have had some software issues and someday they may be Roon Endpoints.  The Kii Control gives you a lot of flexibility on inputs. 

 

Feed either of them with a Good analog source and good XLR cables and you will be rewarded.    

 

For the Kii + BXT get four power cords and feed each BXT and KII speaker directly, do not feed through the BXT "extension Cord.  Also run the good XLR cable directly to the Kii Three not through the BXT.  I would also make sure to have a clean power feed to the breaker.  Just count the number of amplifiers in the full set of Kii's!  

 

The 8c's need some stable stands.  They are about 60lbs each.  Bolt them to the stands.  

The Kii Threes are lighter but tall they need good stands too.  Unless you have the BXTs!

 

There is very little that can compete with a Kii Three + BXT.  

 

And do read what @mitchco has written on these speakers.  

 

Oh and really take a look at floor coupling.  Isoacoustics might just be your best friend.  

 

bob

 

 

Ahhhhh. How could I forget you have these Bob! Thanks for the info. 

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6 hours ago, bobfa said:

I have them both in my house right now.  I have the Kii BXT also.    At their price points I would not hesitate to put either one of them on the check out list.  They both have some warts.  The 8Cs are not wife friendly.  THEY ARE BIG.  The Kii on the BXT has a very modern look and they come is some really nice colors.  They may not be wife friendly either.  Both can be very nicely placed near the front wall.

 

The 8Cs have had some software issues and someday they may be Roon Endpoints.  The Kii Control gives you a lot of flexibility on inputs. 

 

Feed either of them with a Good analog source and good XLR cables and you will be rewarded.    

 

For the Kii + BXT get four power cords and feed each BXT and KII speaker directly, do not feed through the BXT "extension Cord.  Also run the good XLR cable directly to the Kii Three not through the BXT.  I would also make sure to have a clean power feed to the breaker.  Just count the number of amplifiers in the full set of Kii's!  

 

The 8c's need some stable stands.  They are about 60lbs each.  Bolt them to the stands.  

The Kii Threes are lighter but tall they need good stands too.  Unless you have the BXTs!

 

There is very little that can compete with a Kii Three + BXT.  

 

And do read what @mitchco has written on these speakers.  

 

Oh and really take a look at floor coupling.  Isoacoustics might just be your best friend.  

 

bob

 

 

 

Hi Bob,

 

How you can compare both D&D and Kii (+BXT) with Buchardt Audio A500? Soundwise?

 

THank you.

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1 hour ago, bobfa said:

They are still promising that.   

Apparently they have Roon working in a Beta with one set of speakers, but haven't gotten Roon to work in multi-room, which is (of course) a requirement for Roon certification.

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Main setup: Surge protector +_iFi  AC iPurifiers >Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Conditioning+Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three >GIK Room Treatments.

Secondary Listening: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Matrix Element i Streamer/DAC (XLR)+Schiit Freya>Kii Three .

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I've had the 8cs for a little over a year. They are very good. The latest firmware update added REW integration. It is now very simple to generate PEQ filters for them using REW. The speakers generate the sweep tones so there is no need for a connection across the room or to put the files on your source. I have them on Skylan stands that are built to the dimensions of the 8cs. They support them well without bolting them to the stands. I haven't had a chance to hear the Kiis. I don't have any plans to as I am happy with the D&Ds. They are hard to beat at their price.

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