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[The Computer Audiophile]

@joelha I keep looking for the multi-drive NVMe USB drive. It's a strange challenge. 

 

This four bay NVMe enclosure is fantastic, but it's Thunderbolt 3. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2

 

If there is a USB male to Thunderbolt female adapter, then you'd be golden.

[davide256]

Just now, The Computer Audiophile said:

From the company, "256GB → 256GB M.2 NVMe SSD can be copied in about 10 minutes."

thanks!   just reread and saw that the max rate above is 20GB/min, not ps, so thats a top speed of 333 mBps. The 256GB over 10 minutes is slightly  faster,

426 mBps... for me thats at least 3 times faster than SSD over USB3 and 4 x faster than backup over network.

[peter73]

Copying the entire content on every backup is insane. Why not just sync or mirror?

[joelha]

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

@joelha I keep looking for the multi-drive NVMe USB drive. It's a strange challenge. 

 

This four bay NVMe enclosure is fantastic, but it's Thunderbolt 3. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2

 

If there is a USB male to Thunderbolt female adapter, then you'd be golden.

Chris,

 

Regardless of the outcome, you're great for taking the time to check this out for me (and maybe for others).

 

You believe the previous device you had identified would with an Auralic device?

 

And the same would be true for the Thunderbolt device assuming I could find a Thunderbolt to USB adapter?

 

Thanks a lot.

 

Joel

[The Computer Audiophile]

5 minutes ago, joelha said:

Chris,

 

Regardless of the outcome, you're great for taking the time to check this out for me (and maybe for others).

 

You believe the previous device you had identified would with an Auralic device?

 

And the same would be true for the Thunderbolt device assuming I could find a Thunderbolt to USB adapter?

 

Thanks a lot.

 

Joel

The previous M.2 SATA device would work for sure as it has dip switches to set it in RAID 0 that would make it one large drive. The drives required are like this Samsung EVO 860 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07822SVMS/

 

You could get 4TB total. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

3 minutes ago, peter73 said:

Copying the entire content on every backup is insane. Why not just sync or mirror?

There is only one option to clone the drive. 

[The Computer Audiophile]

Note: I posted the incorrect link to M.2 SATA drives a few minutes ago. Here are the right M.2 SATA drives that work with the device I recommended to @joelha https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07822SVMS/

 

I updated the previous post as well. 

[davide256]

2 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

@joelha I keep looking for the multi-drive NVMe USB drive. It's a strange challenge. 

 

This four bay NVMe enclosure is fantastic, but it's Thunderbolt 3. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/express-4m2

 

If there is a USB male to Thunderbolt female adapter, then you'd be golden.

I keep wishing that I could get local attached storage to sound better than  NAS... no luck so far with SSD, HD or SDXC storage. Any thoughts

on local NVME vs NAS storage SQ? 7 series and later NUC's  per Intel support Thunderbolt 3

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000021752/intel-nuc.html

[The Computer Audiophile]

2 minutes ago, davide256 said:

I keep wishing that I could get local attached storage to sound better than  NAS... no luck so far with SSD, HD or SDXC storage. Any thoughts

on local NVME vs NAS storage SQ? 7 series and later NUC's  per Intel support Thunderbolt 3

That's a can o' worms being opened and jumped into constantly on the forum :~)

[joelha]

32 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

The previous M.2 SATA device would work for sure as it has dip switches to set it in RAID 0 that would make it one large drive. The drives required are like this Samsung EVO 860 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07822SVMS/

 

You could get 4TB total. 

Chris,

 

I'm going to guess that the four NVMe device won't work based on the following information I saw from that device's instruction manual:

 

PC Requirements • Hardware: PC with a Thunderbolt 3 port • OS: Windows 10 or later

 

But the two NVMe device is on order.

 

Thanks again for the great find.

 

Joel

[The Computer Audiophile]

6 minutes ago, joelha said:

Chris,

 

I'm going to guess that the four NVMe device won't work based on the following information I saw from that device's instruction manual:

 

PC Requirements • Hardware: PC with a Thunderbolt 3 port • OS: Windows 10 or later

 

But the two NVMe device is on order.

 

Thanks again for the great find.

 

Joel

Just looked at the manual myself and it also requires software RAID. That’s a no go for a Linux audio device. 

[joelha]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Just looked at the manual myself and it also requires software RAID. That’s a no go for a Linux audio device. 

Fair enough, Chris.

 

If the dual device works, that will be a nice improvement.

 

Thanks for doing the extra research.

 

Joel

[rhmmmm]

Very interesting product - I haven’t seen something quite like this before. Thanks for sharing!

[charlesphoto]

Very cool product, but a bit rich for my blood unless maybe I was starting my backup setup from scratch. What I would like to see is a device that you could use a mix of 2.5" SATA SSD and HDD and M.2 NVME (and non) with the one touch disc to disc function. It's one reason I went with my Drobo for my photography files, in that I had a huge mix of old 3.5" hard drives in various sizes and makes and the Drobo's just automatically RAID them (albeit proprietarily, so best to have solid backups made - I do to both another Drobo drive and to 3.5" bare drives using a drive dock) and once can swap out whenever as one gets or needs bigger total storage. I use Carbon Copy Cloner for my backups. Works a treat with both local storage and network devices such as the internal music storage on my Roon ROCK NUC. 

[jbparrish]

Will this take Intel optane?

[The Computer Audiophile]

49 minutes ago, jbparrish said:

Will this take Intel optane?

It technically may work but I’ve seen terrible results from people doing similar things online. 

[jbparrish]

Thanks! I'll save some money then.

[joelha]

5 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

It technically may work but I’ve seen terrible results from people doing similar things online. 

Chris,

 

Would the dual card device you recommended work with Optane?

 

And if it might be subject to the terrible results you had mentioned, what might those be?

 

Thanks.

 

Joel

[peter73]

On 11/6/2020 at 7:46 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

There is only one option to clone the drive. 

Sure, but you only clone the drive once and then keep it synced. Copying the entire contents every time would be like you retyping your entire article every time you add a sentence :-)

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 minutes ago, peter73 said:

Sure, but you only clone the drive once and then keep it synced. Copying the entire contents every time would be like you retyping your entire article every time you add a sentence :-)

I hear you, but this is one button and it’s done. 

[peter73]

1 minute ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I hear you, but this is one button and it’s done. 

Absolutely - it just seems like a strange design. I have a NAS, an HDD attached to my router and a portable storage that I attach to my laptop. They all get automatically synced to each other in the background way too fast to even notice and I probably got a bit spoiled. I normally play media from the NAS and have the router HDD as a backup. The portable storage is to take with me when I travel.

[jcbenten]

Looks like a great device for an IT admin to deploy a lot of laptops.

[The Computer Audiophile]

I think many of us who use a NAS and are savvy enough to do what we want technically, forget how many audiophiles just hang a USB drive off their streamer and call it a day. It’s a very popular thing to do and it’s dead simple. 

[coleb13]

There's certainly value in making backup as easy and foolproof as possible. It might be nice if the unit had a timer you could set that would automatically perform the backup on a schedule (nightly, weekly, etc.) without you having to remember to push the button.

 

One drawback would be that the backup drive is in the same physical location as the main drive, subject to theft, natural disaster, etc. If you were willing to occasionally use the screwdriver to remove the backup drive and swap it for a third drive you could work around this by taking the other drive to another location and storing it there.

[charlesphoto]

I have the feeling this device is aimed mostly at the video market (as much isn these days). When shooting video in the field one wants to make high quality backups as soon and as quickly as possible. I would be wary of rewriting the drive every time one adds say a single or handful of cd's as that could end up being just too many writes if one is doing it on a daily basis (weekly would be better). Setting it on a schedule would be unwise as well, as it will rewrite the entire disc no matter if changes have been made or not.