"Book shelf" speakers put on speaker stands = less bass??

[botrytis]

It is not counter intuitive. You are actually enhancing the bass with the speaker near the floor. The same thing happens when you put it close to a corner or a back wall. It can over emphasize the bass, meaning not as accurate.

[botrytis]

11 minutes ago, fas42 said:

Speakers on stands are less stable - the simple exercise of pushing lightly on the side of the speaker while mounted on the stands shows how precarious it is; close to zero resistance to wobbling around, from the slightest nudge. From experience, the best solution is do something which gives the speaker cabinet enormous effective mass - imagine creating a pillar of several tonnes, and concreting the cabinet to that pillar; no need to actually do that 😉, but the closer you effectively get to that situation, the better.

 

So what do you get doing that? "Big" sound, very authoritative, meaning not boomy, bass, high levels of detail - provided the replay chain is clean, it's a win in every area.

 

Not if the stands are designed properly and weighted. If not then well, it is a crap shoot. There is a lot of nonsense in your statements.

 

I mean, I don't put stacks of papers on mine, talk about unstable.

 

[botrytis]

2 minutes ago, 992Sam said:

 

yeah it's not a quality problem with the stands ... it's just the laws of physics and I got used to listening to them close to the floor for 2 months, but with the delivery of the stands yesterday, the sound / tone has shifted to a more balanced tone (As the tweeters and mids are more ear level now)... and this the impression of less bass... 

 

You enhanced the bass but it was not balanced with the rest of the speaker output.

 

Also, the image will be better as it is now ear level.

[botrytis]

On 11/4/2020 at 4:30 PM, fas42 said:

 

Yes, if the stands are designed well, and weighted adequately, then it will work to a decent degree. IME, the way most small speaker sound as normally set up, is, well, small - wind up the volume a bit, and the SQ falls apart; and the bass most certainly doesn't work properly - non-existent, or boomy.

 

A stack of papers is a simple method of increasing effective mass, while allowing it to be readily adjustable. As a long term, aesthetic solution it obviously is a no-go - but it serves to give one answers. It worked 30 years ago, and it still is a simple approach for getting results.

 

I aim to hear the recording, at any volume level that the system can sustain - not, the limitations of the system setup.

 

 

I totally disagree. Bookshelves can sound big, it depends on the speakers and the room acoustics.

 

A stack of papers, is just that, a stack of papers. You do realize one of the issues with paper is that if you have a nice wood finish, on the speakers, that paper being a rough surface, can scratch and damage the cabinet. Also, if you are using newspaper, which uses soybean oil based ink, it can leach into the cabinet and ruin it also. Sorry no.

 

If one uses a weighted, stiff stand and then attaches said speaker to the stand, there is no issues.

[botrytis]

On 11/4/2020 at 5:13 PM, fas42 said:

Tracked down a YT clip of your model of speakers running, if only for a second or two,

 

 

The smallness of the sound, here, is what one usually gets with this size of cabinet if it's just plunked on a convenient surface - I don't believe the full capability of such units can be realised until the stabilising of the cabinets is thoroughly explored, 😉.

Right, it has nothing to do with the mic and how it was recorded.

 

Go actually listen to set a set of speakers. Using youtube to base your opinion on is like...

 

[botrytis]

1 hour ago, fas42 said:

 

Agree with both tweaks - Blu-Tack is a very useful part of the tweaker's kit; cheap, easy to apply, and to remove if it doesn't help - a point I would make is that if you're using this, is to have a decent gob of the stuff, and press whatever you're trying to couple really tightly together; make the 'bond' so strong that you almost pick up the stand, if you try to lift the speaker.

 

Blu-Tack leaches oil into the wood of the cabinet and ruins finishes.

 

Sorry no.

[botrytis]

2 minutes ago, fas42 said:

 

It's on the underneath of the speaker, where no-one looks - and is only needed in the corners. If one wants to investigate this seriously, then another method which accomplishes the same thing could be tried, which is guaranteed to not cause harm ... personally, I would have very little time for listening to speakers which are not stabilised properly; the 'blurring' which results from this not being taken care of would irritate me too much ...

 

It still damages the wood and finish and that is part and parcel of the box that makes up the speaker. Kind of like water on wood, HDF, or MDF - it is not good for the speaker.

 

If you want, I will argue chemistry with you but you will lose that battle. I understand wood chemistry (along with varnishes, etc.) very well as it was part of my PhD research.

[botrytis]

Hence why many speaker manufacturers, I can think of a few that also sell stands with their speakers, so they can be screwed down to the stand. I mean Sonus Faber did that with their Venere line.

 

If you want to attach a speaker to a stand, get a set of speakers that also have stands that match them.

[botrytis]

Or put the lead steel shot inside the stands. I have stands are filled with sand - 25 lbs each stand. They will not tip at all and they are 30" stands. 

[botrytis]

I have seen it on my Rogers LS2's so that is a varnished speaker, not bare wood.

[botrytis]

8 hours ago, March Audio said:

Back on topic,  Frank, can you explain why you think an audible boom is connected to the security of the speaker mount?

 

How have you tested your theory?

 

He won't because he has swallowed hook, line, and sinker many of the old urban legend's about speakers and affects.

 

I mean, look at Q Acoustics or Raidho. They both have stand mount speakers, sold with stands, that actually absorb bouncing floors, etc and seem to protect speakers from that.  The Raidho (also Borreson - the original designer) is a desert Island speaker for me as every time I hear them - colour me impressed.