Audirvana Sorting

[lucretius]

9 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

Thanks for the info. This is what I can't understand though. Nobody would every write Pearl Jam as Jam, Pearl. Yet, in Audirvana it's there for "Sort As." When I look at my tags for Artist and Album Artist they all say Pearl Jam. 

 

 

I have noticed the same thing in Audirvana for Windows and this behavior in Audirvana is clearly wrong.  For example, for Alice Cooper albums, I have the metadata tags Artist, Artist Sort, Album Artist, and Album Artist Sort all populated as "Alice Cooper" and yet Audirvana files them under Cooper.

 

Audirvana should (but doesn't) first look at the "Artist Sort" field for sorting Artist and the "Album Artist Sort" field for sorting Album Artist.  If the "Artist Sort" field and the "Album Artist Sort" field are blank, then Audirvana should sort the Artist and Album Artist fields as they are written.

 

I have posted this issue on the Audirvana forum here:  https://community.audirvana.com/t/sorting-artists-and-album-artists/18384.  Should @damien78read this -- please look into this issue.

 

[lucretius]

7 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I looked at the tags through JRiver and found no Artist Sort tag. 

 

You need a better tagger.  I use MP3tag -- it has "Artist Sort" and "Album Artist Sort".  If using a Mac, you'll need to find something else -- Kid3?  Musicbrainz Picard?

 

 

 

[lucretius]

10 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

To better explain ....

in flac files the ArtistSort tag exists

if it is filled then Audirvana will consider it and use it.

it is sufficient that only one album has this characteristic, then the value in the Audirvana db will be changed and will have value for all the albums of that Artist (even if the other albums do not have that value)

this is because in the Audirvana db that Artist is one (and only one) index

 

 

 

I use Audirvana for Windows.  Audirvana does not use the Artist Sort metadata tag within the file. If ii had, the sort order would be correct.  Instead, Audirvana keeps it's own database.  By default, the "sort as" in Audirvana is sometimes wrong. Yes, it can be changed from within Audirvana but if you have to do this for a lot of Artists, it is simply monotonous.  The default "sort as" in Audirvana should be corrected and Audirvana should be programmed to read the Artist Sort file tag (as well as the Album Artist Sort file tag).

[lucretius]

3 hours ago, lucretius said:

 

You need a better tagger.  I use MP3tag -- it has "Artist Sort" and "Album Artist Sort".  If using a Mac, you'll need to find something else -- Kid3?  Musicbrainz Picard?

 

 

 

 

@The Computer Audiophile, I just realized the tags you are looking for are not in the file.  The "sort as" field exists only in the Audirvana database.  The Artist Sort and Album Artist Sort file tags are ignored by Audirvana.

[lucretius]

2 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

the tag name is ArtistSort and not Artist Sort ..... no spaces between the two words

The ArtistSort tag is a Vorbis standard for flac (and other formats), "Artist Sort" is a custom tag, a space make the difference ....

 

I know this.  Mp3tag, like other taggers, displays a common name like Artist Sort rather than the technical name ARTISTSORT (for track artist sort order in Vorbis Comments) or TSOP (for track artist sort order in ID3).

 

 

2 hours ago, stefano_mbp said:

As already said: if ArtistSort tag exist (ie is filled) then Audirvana will copy it in sort_name (displayed in the UI as "sort as") db field (attribute of Audirvana db index Artist).

As Artist is an index then the attribute sort_name can be only one ...

 

It is possible that Audirvana does copy the ARTISTSORT file tag and populate the "sort as" field in the Audirvana database the first time it encounters a new artist.  However, thereafter, Audirvana ignores the ARTISTSORT file tag.