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Topping d10s vs Breeze Audio (both ES9038Q2M + XMOS XU208 + etc)


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The popular Topping d10s DAC sells for $100.

If you search on eBay or Ali, you can get a very similar "generic name" models for roughly 1/2 the price.

Anyone directly compare the two?

 

The eBay "Breeze Audio" from chinaaudiostore: --  $56.00  "Mini ES9038Q2M DAC HiFi XMOS XU208 USB ES9038 DSD DAC Soundcard Headphone Out"

 

Some pics of Breeze Audio:

 

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Some pics of Topping d10:

 

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Obvious diffs:

 

Front display

Op-amps

Power (d10: USB; Breeze: external 12v)

Inputs (USB only for Breeze)

Crystal XO size ( larger units used in Breeze)

No electro caps in Breeze (seems to use Tantalums instead) 

ETC...........

 

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  • wbh changed the title to Topping d10s vs Breeze Audio (both ES9038Q2M + XMOS XU208 + etc)
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Please note that I was banned from ASR for posting on this topic. Perhaps an understood (and justified) action given the sensitive (= easily offended) nature of that fanboy club ;)

Anyway, I did purchase the Breeze Audio device for about $60 from eBay with an approx 3-week delivery. 

The unit delivered does NOT exactly match the eBay product description.

First, the opamp installed is not the OPA2132, but some Chinese off-brand. I had a spare 2132 and noted no real improvement in performance. 

Second, the "12v" power input is not what the delivered unit is designed for (came with an 8.4v adapter; the Ali product description notes 8.4v power with a WARNING that unit might be damaged with more). 

The RED led next to "POWER" acknowledges USB input plugged in. The toggle switch switches on analog-section power, but the LED will light when USB is plugged in, regardless of switch position or plugged in adapter. Confusing!

There are other issues and notes that I may report if there is enough traffic to this thread.

What about the bottom line: sound? 

Outta the box, with no break in, I'll have to admit I was quite impressed. But then I've been quite fond of the ESS sound since "first ear". 

There is mod potential here as well: output coupling caps, snubbing regulators and opamp. More bypass caps, etc. And, yeah, that cheap SMPS adapter has gotta go!

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You would need to have  measurements of Breeze Audio one and to compare it with the Topping E30 measurements to judge. Implementation is important, part names don't tell all.

This forum is not much about discussing of unknown DAC hardware mods. Try diyAudio forum on this topic.

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30 minutes ago, bogi said:

You would need to have  measurements of Breeze Audio one and to compare it with the Topping E30 measurements to judge.

Why the E30? Did you see the topic (subject) title? That  is (d10) the EXACT model with which to compare the Breeze Audio to, and that your confusion is legitimate. 

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Be it D10s or E30, it does not change the meaning of my answer...  I wish you that you find here people wanting to discuss your topic, but knowing the people and topics discussed here in the past, more efficient for you could be to try it also on the diyAudio forum.

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2 hours ago, bogi said:

Be it D10s or E30, it does not change the meaning of my answer...  I wish you that you find here people wanting to discuss your topic, but knowing the people and topics discussed here in the past, more efficient for you could be to try it also on the diyAudio forum.

Call me confused??? Are you suggesting that the topic and/or content of this thread is not appropriate for AS?

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On 9/29/2020 at 7:54 PM, wbh said:

The popular Topping d10s DAC sells for $100.

If you search on eBay or Ali, you can get a very similar "generic name" models for roughly 1/2 the price.

Anyone directly compare the two?

 

The eBay "Breeze Audio" from chinaaudiostore: --  $56.00  "Mini ES9038Q2M DAC HiFi XMOS XU208 USB ES9038 DSD DAC Soundcard Headphone Out"

 

Some pics of Breeze Audio:

 

s-l1600.jpg

 

 

s-l1600.jpg

s-l1600.jpg

 

s-l1600.jpg

 

Some pics of Topping d10:

 

361A4331_20180129094705.jpg?auto=format&

361A4301_20180129094704.jpg?auto=format&

Inside-jpg.jpg

Inside-2-jpg.jpg

 

================

 

Obvious diffs:

 

Front display

Op-amps

Power (d10: USB; Breeze: external 12v)

Inputs (USB only for Breeze)

Crystal XO size ( larger units used in Breeze)

No electro caps in Breeze (seems to use Tantalums instead) 

ETC...........

 

In the "obvious diffs", I should've been clearer about "op-amps". That a huge diff. between the two!

The Topping uses a two-stage output (three op-amps) , and does not use output (dc blocking) caps. 

The Breeze uses a one-stage output scheme, and 220uF (dc blocking) caps. I shorted the caps and noted about 3.5Vdc; I also used a different opamp (but same 3.5v out).... so I simply upgraded them to some Panasonic FM's (same value). 

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