bobfa Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 If any of you have devices that fall under the info in the following post from their community: https://community.roonlabs.com/t/uncertified-roon-ready-devices-announcement/120298 My Audio Systems Link to comment
firedog Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Note that they have a workaround for present users with uncertified Roon Ready devices: there's a link to a form to fill out thatwill give you a type of "developer" status that allows your uncertified devices to be used. Worth filling it out. What does this all mean for me? Existing Roon accounts using uncertified devices as of September 21 can request to keep all access to their currently owned uncertified Roon Ready devices before September 21st. Once access is granted, they will see no changes to their access or ability to enable/disable those devices. All other Roon accounts will no longer be able to enable uncertified Roon Ready devices on/after September 21st. So, how do I get the fix? Fill out this form: https://zfrmz.com/hQNRXlk8iLiJaQeIN2Dv 648 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I've read that entire thread and still have no idea if my Raspberry Pi4 running Miskas NAA image will work after this... No electron left behind. Link to comment
firedog Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said: I've read that entire thread and still have no idea if my Raspberry Pi4 running Miskas NAA image will work after this... It will work fine. The issue is manuacturers who claim their devices are Roon Certified to help their marketing when they haven't completed certiication by Roon. Your Pi makes no such claim. So if it is running NAA or Roon Bridge it will continue to work just as before. AudioDoctor 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, firedog said: It will work fine. The issue is manuacturers who claim their devices are Roon Certified to help their marketing when they haven't completed certiication by Roon. Your Pi makes no such claim. So if it is running NAA or Roon Bridge it will continue to work just as before. Thanks. No electron left behind. Link to comment
k27R Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Interesting move on Roon's part... I'm glad I decided not to continue my subscription! eintom 1 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, k27R said: Interesting move on Roon's part... I'm glad I decided not to continue my subscription! Interesting how? They have every right to do this, they are basically enforcing their rights re: IP and licensing laws if I am reading this properly. No electron left behind. Link to comment
One and a half Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Let's not beat about the bush here, Roon has the target on Aqua. Took a screen shot in case circumstances change. Aqua claim that their LinQ can work with Roon, uncertified, aka "I'm not paying for the royalties to Roon". Link also here, impressive engineering, must say. AS Profile Equipment List Say NO to MQA Link to comment
jacquesr Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I have a Linq and a Formula. Killer combo. I will never stop using Roon. It is worth every penny. I used Audirvana for a few weeks and I loose my sanity. Not sure why is the reason Aqua is trying to go around Roon but there must be a reason other than "money". Will enquire. Mac Mini Late 2014 (16G/SSD) w Uptone JS-2 w OWC Thunderbay 4 Mini RAID (JS-2) / Roon Aqua LinQ w EtherCon cable (Ghent) w Uptone EtherRegen w Uptone JS-2 Aqua Formula xHD w Ocellia RCA Interconnect & Shunyata Delta NR Kora TB 200 Integrated Amplifier w Audio Art Power Cable Magico V2 w Ocellia speaker cables w Shunyata Dark Field Elevator & JL Audio E-Sub e110 X 2 All equipment, including subwoofer on Modulum platforms (modulumaudio.com) Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, One and a half said: Let's not beat about the bush here, Roon has the target on Aqua. Took a screen shot in case circumstances change. Aqua claim that their LinQ can work with Roon, uncertified, aka "I'm not paying for the royalties to Roon". Link also here, impressive engineering, must say. Wow... Couldn't you just use the NAA module if you use HQPlayer that is?????? I have to admit, this whole thing has me so confused No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post charlesphoto Posted September 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, One and a half said: Roon, uncertified, aka "I'm not paying for the royalties to Roon". I believe Roon doesn't charge their partners a fee unlike the MQA scam artists. I believe this is just about making sure manufacturers are developing their code to run smoothly and best with Roon, and most likely cut down on support calls for uncertified devices. R1200CL and Walcascar 2 SERVER CLOSET (in office directly below living room stereo):NUC 7i5BNH with Roon ROCK (ZeroZone 12V on the NUC)>Cisco 2690L-16PS switch>Sonore opticalModule (Uptone LPS 1.2)> LIVING ROOM: Sonore opticalRendu Roon version (Sonore Power Supply)> Shunyata Venom USB>Naim DAC V1>Witchhat DIN>Naim NAP 160 Bolt Down>Chord Rumor 2>Audio Physic Compact Classics. OFFICE: opticalModule> Sonore microRendu 1.4> Matrix Mini-i Pro 3> Naim NAP 110>NACA5>KEF Ls50's. BJC 6a and Ghent Catsnake 6a JSSG ethernet; AC cables: Shunyata Venom NR V-10; Audience Forte F3; Ice Age copper/copper; Sean Jacobs CHC PowerBlack, Moon Audio DIN>RCA, USB A>C. Isolation: Herbie's Audio Lab. Link to comment
k27R Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said: Interesting how? They have every right to do this, they are basically enforcing their rights re: IP and licensing laws if I am reading this properly. Interesting that Roon is choosing to enforce their IP by potentially bricking their paying member's equipment, rather than going after the manufacture themselves for making the false claim. Roon got themselves in this situation by allowing manufacturer's to claim "Roon Ready" before completing the Roon certification. The crux of the issue is that the manufacturers are claiming "Roon Ready" when the product is actually not. Roon should be be protecting their IP by going after the manufacturer to making the false claims.... i.e. forcing them to remove the false claim from their products, marketing material, packaging, etc. But I can see Roon not wanting to do this since this is essentially free marketing/branding for them. Hence..the interesting. Les Habitants 1 Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, k27R said: Interesting that Roon is choosing to enforce their IP by potentially bricking their paying member's equipment, rather than going after the manufacture themselves for making the false claim. Roon got themselves in this situation by allowing manufacturer's to claim "Roon Ready" before completing the Roon certification. The crux of the issue is that the manufacturers are claiming "Roon Ready" when the product is actually not. Roon should be be protecting their IP by going after the manufacturer to making the false claims.... i.e. forcing them to remove the false claim from their products, marketing material, packaging, etc. But I can see Roon not wanting to do this since this is essentially free marketing/branding for them. Hence..the interesting. You're assuming they haven't tried that. And was Roon truly allowing them to do it, or were manufacturers just doing it as a marketing ploy? Does Roon have the money for a long legal battle, even though they're in the right it could bankrupt them and put them out of business. If you're mad, you should direct your anger at Aqua Acoustics. No electron left behind. Link to comment
k27R Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Yes if you read the thread, Roon said they allow manufactures to make the claim as long as the equipment is in the process of being certified. The problem is manufacturers in the middle of certification but not finishing it, or failing and not correcting it. I don’t know or care if Roon can afford legal to properly protect their IP. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said: If you're mad, you should direct your anger at Aqua Acoustics. Quoting myself here... You should be mad at the manufacturers that were abusing the privileges Roon was giving them. daverich4 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 56 minutes ago, k27R said: Yes if you read the thread, Roon said they allow manufactures to make the claim as long as the equipment is in the process of being certified. The problem is manufacturers in the middle of certification but not finishing it, or failing and not correcting it. I don’t know or care if Roon can afford legal to properly protect their IP. If I read the thread? LOL You should care if you have hardware that will be bricked. And lastly, if YOU read the thread you would see that Roon has provided a way for users to grandfather themselves in so their Roon installation continues to work as normal. You also allegedly do not have a Roon subscription anyway, so why you so mad bro? No electron left behind. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, One and a half said: Let's not beat about the bush here, Roon has the target on Aqua. Took a screen shot in case circumstances change. Aqua claim that their LinQ can work with Roon, uncertified, aka "I'm not paying for the royalties to Roon". Link also here, impressive engineering, must say. I also want to add that I doubt Roon is calling out Aqua Acoustics, Roon put an image of a Chord DAC in their thread... The Computer Audiophile 1 No electron left behind. Link to comment
Popular Post The Computer Audiophile Posted September 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just Because You're Paranoid Doesn't Mean They aren't After You. This isn’t about any single or couple of manufacturers. That would’ve been easy for Roon to handle and find a solution. Roon is the antithesis of DLNA (the most nonstandard standard) in that there are specific rules and when they are met, things work as advertised. The company is avoiding Roon Ready turning into DLNA. In addition, I know many fans of some HiFi gear won’t want to hear this, some manufacturers cut so many corners it’s unbelievable. The Roon team has forced some to nearly redesign how digital audio is handled because it was so half-ass. I’m done with drama so I won’t mention names, but there are plenty of big companies who’d make your head spin and cause you to question what you think you know about HiFi. Note: Aqua has nothing to do with my comment above and is not a company included in my statement. I saw the company’s Roon solution but I don’t know much about it at this point. daverich4, AudioDoctor and R1200CL 3 Founder of Audiophile Style | My Audio Systems Link to comment
Popular Post firedog Posted September 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2020 Roon said they've been trying for years to get some of the manufacturers to comply with their standards, but some simply don't once they've put "Roon Ready" on their website. Essentially, they are ripping off Roon, by using the Roon name to sell their devices, yet not complyin with Roon standards to make sure Roon works as intended. Then when the user has an issue, he blames Roon instead of the HW manufacturer. I have zero issues with Roon over this. They've also provided a workaround. If anyone has an issue, they should put pressure on their device manufacturer. AudioDoctor, daverich4, opus101 and 1 other 2 1 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
R1200CL Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 8 hours ago, k27R said: Interesting that Roon is choosing to enforce their IP by potentially bricking their paying member's equipment, rather than going after the manufacture themselves for making the false claim. They do not. Please read this post. https://community.roonlabs.com/t/a-fix-for-uncertified-roon-ready-devices/120426 AudioDoctor 1 Link to comment
firedog Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 9 hours ago, k27R said: Interesting that Roon is choosing to enforce their IP by potentially bricking their paying member's equipment, rather than going after the manufacture themselves for making the false claim. They aren't bricking anything. They are just making it so devices with a false claim of Roon Ready don't work with Roon. You are still welcome to use the device with other software. Anyway, all someone who still wants to use Roon needs to do is to use any PC or RPi loaded with Roon or Roon Bridge for playback. And in the meantime, bug the maker of their device to put the Roon Ready certification in order. charlesphoto 1 Main listening (small home office): Main setup: Surge protector +>Isol-8 Mini sub Axis Power Strip/Isolation>QuietPC Low Noise Server>Roon (Audiolense DRC)>Stack Audio Link II>Kii Control>Kii Three (on their own electric circuit) >GIK Room Treatments. Secondary Path: Server with Audiolense RC>RPi4 or analog>Cayin iDAC6 MKII (tube mode) (XLR)>Kii Three . Bedroom: SBTouch to Cambridge Soundworks Desktop Setup. Living Room/Kitchen: Ropieee (RPi3b+ with touchscreen) + Schiit Modi3E to a pair of Morel Hogtalare. All absolute statements about audio are false Link to comment
bobfa Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 Here is a list of what I know is un certified right now... Add yours.😠 12/23/2020 Roon Uncertified: Hansong Hub for Buchardt A500 and A700 speakers. KEF Wireless II My Audio Systems Link to comment
bobfa Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 11:45 PM, The Computer Audiophile said: Roon is the antithesis of DLNA OR maybe OpenHome. I am just slowly moving away from Roon. My Audio Systems Link to comment
R1200CL Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 hours ago, bobfa said: I am just slowly moving away from Roon. ...and what are you drifting into ? ——————————- I can add Aqua Linn to the list, but it may not be fear to do. Link to comment
AudioDoctor Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 minute ago, R1200CL said: ...and what are you drifting into ? ——————————- I can add Aqua Linn to the list, but it may not be fear to do. Euphony for me. No electron left behind. Link to comment
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