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Sorry to just jump in here, but my question would probably help the OP . I was also considering a drive for accurate rips. i noticed that pioneer advertises it uses a technology called "pure read 2". Anyone have any knowledge as to if these are worth the money or a make more accurate rip than other drives? Link to view the drive details-

Pioneer Black 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM SATA Blu-ray Burner BDR-2209 - Newegg.com  (Comment from this thread:)

 

 

That comment is from 2015. I bought a more recent Pioneer drive with Pure Read 3+. that cost more than $150. 

But reading some other comments it seems that you can just buy a cheap CD reader and the software like EAC will do all the job?

 

Questions that I had:

Do you have to use a special software to take advantage of Pure Read function?
Does Pure Read interfere with software like EAC that does its own approach to ripping? (multi-reading?)

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On 7/1/2020 at 3:45 PM, pionphil said:

That comment is from 2015. I bought a more recent Pioneer drive with Pure Read 3+. that cost more than $150. 

But reading some other comments it seems that you can just buy a cheap CD reader and the software like EAC will do all the job?

 

Questions that I had:

Do you have to use a special software to take advantage of Pure Read function?
Does Pure Read interfere with software like EAC that does its own approach to ripping? (multi-reading?)

I have used XLD on mac, both with an internal and external CD drives. This works great.

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Did you find answer?

 

I looked into this topic and found those documents


https://jpn.pioneer/ja/pcperipherals/dvdrrw/story/index_17.html
https://jpn.pioneer/ja/pcperipherals/dvdrrw/story/index_27.php

 

  • Pure Read: On CD ripping, when read error happens, change one read parameter from the parameter candidate (rotation speed, pickup parameters etc) and retry read. Drive forget Pure Read settings on power cycle: Need to run Drive Utility app every time drive power is plugged.
  • Pure Read+: Drive remembers Pure Read settings. Now not necessary to run Drive Utility on every drive power cycle. + of subsequent versions have the same meaning.
  • Pure Read 2+: Added new read parameter to some specific disc conditions.
  • Pure Read 3+: Introduces Pure Read on realtime CD playback , Real Time Pure Read.
  • Pure Read 4+: When read error happens, change 2 or more parameters and retry.

Pure Read settings:

  • Standard Mode: On CD ripping, when C2 error happens, interpolate sample gap and read continues.
  • Master Mode: On CD ripping, When read error happens, change read parameter and retry (Pure Read). if several retry failed, interpolate sample gap and read continues.
  • Perfect Mode: Same as “Master Mode” but when several retry failed, reports read error to OS and stop ripping.
  • Real Time Pure Read: When app plays CD on realtime, drive detect it and enable realtime flavor of Pure Read (retry read and when deadline missed, interpolate the gap).

 

On 7/2/2020 at 4:45 AM, pionphil said:

Do you have to use a special software to take advantage of Pure Read function?

 

Yes, It is necessary to run Drive Utility once to configure the drive settings to Master Mode or Perfect Mode to enable Pure Read.

 

On 7/2/2020 at 4:45 AM, pionphil said:

Does Pure Read interfere with software like EAC that does its own approach to ripping? (multi-reading?)

 

I'm not sure about it

 

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yamamoto2002,

 

I lost the CD that came with the Pioneer drive. The CD included the softwares to use to rip CDs. I think I read that the PureRead function only works with the software (Cyberlink Power2Go). 

 

Is there a way to purchase the CD separately? 

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PureRead could be configured with Pioneer BD Drive Utility and here's the direct link to download that

 

https://pioneer.jp/device/file/PioneerBDR-209-211_DriveUtility_v1.2.0.3.exe

https://pioneer.jp/device_e/product-e/ibs/device_e/dev00001r_e.html#DriveUtility

 

FYI - here's a preview as shown on the right

 

https://forum.cdrinfo.pl/f112/pureread-pioneer-dvd-bluray-drive-95977/

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thank you seeteeyou.

 

I see that the first link is for Windows, and the second link has many download links for Windows as well as a couple for Mac too. 

 

I was under the impression that PureRead only works on Windows, but it seems like it will work on Mac as well? 

 

Does PureRead only work with Cyberlink software for Windows that comes with the product, or could it work with XLD on Mac?

 

Your first link is for Windows and then there are so many different download options for Windows in the second link. So how is your first download link different from the many download options in second link? I understand that the ones in the second link are different depending on different types of product you have. 

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21 hours ago, pionphil said:

I was under the impression that PureRead only works on Windows, but it seems like it will work on Mac as well?

 

It seems there is a product for Mac, such as BDR-XS07JM. I have it and it works on Windows PC as well, with BD Drive Utility v 1.2.0.4

 

PureRead functionality works on the micro processor on the drive, so it is basically OS / ripping app independent. BD Drive Utility is needed to change / view current settings of the drive firmware.  “+ model” has the non-volatile memory on the drive to remember the setting.

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yamamato2002, 

 

I was able to change the settings using Drive Utility.

 

When I put a CD in my Pioneer drive, Cyberlink recognizes it but not EAC. How could I make EAC recognize it?

 

By the way does PureRead work better with Cyberlink? Or is there an advantage of using Cyberlink to rip CDs compared to EAC, etc.?

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I don't use EAC to rip CDs so I don't know.

 

Ripped 34 cds with perfect mode so far and after ripping I opened BD drive utility and saw the drive error counter is zero. It seems there is no trace of C2 error interpolation seen on ripped data. This is my understanding : basically it works as a normal CD drive and there is no difference unless margarine is spread on the CD surface

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I found this article: https://ordinarysound.com/cueripper-pureread/#toc3 

 

It says the following: 

 

以前のことですが、WindowsでPureReadに適したリッピングソフト(リッピング機能付き音楽再生ソフトを含む)を検証したことがあります。その際にPureReadが正しく動作するソフトは4つ程度でした。その中の1つはPureReadドライブ同梱ソフトですがリッピングソフトとして使い辛く即却下でした。残るは定番のdBpoweramp CD RipperとEAC(Exact Audio Copy)、それと日本でマイナーな存在のCUERipperです。

当時のdBpoweramp CD Ripperはリッピングのログを自動保存しない事とキューシート形式非サポートで却下です。EACも当時の版は内部キューシート形式保存に未対応、何より小難しい(笑)で却下です。※EACでリッピングした外部キューシート形式は後処理としてfoobar2000を使えば内部キューシート形式を作れます。最近のdBpoweramp CD RipperやEACは触っていないのでどうなっているかわかりません

 

So I understood that: 

PureRead works well on 4 softwares, 1st being Cyberlink Power2Go, but it's hard to use as a ripping software so that is out. 

 

It says dBpoweramp is out because it doesn't automatically save ripping log and does not support Cue sheet 形式。How should cue sheet 形式 be translated? I'm not sure what cue sheet is and why that's important. 

 

It also says EAC is out because something about cue sheet 形式 not being able to be saved internally. 

 

Which leaves Cue ripper as the ideal software to use with Pure read. Is this true? 

I consider the ability to grab album artwork to be the most important thing, so I don't know what is important about cue sheet.

 

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On 9/16/2020 at 6:33 PM, pionphil said:

When I put a CD in my Pioneer drive, Cyberlink recognizes it but not EAC. How could I make EAC recognize it?

 

I tested EAC and it recognized my drive. It seems EAC got this album artwork from Amazon.

eac1.thumb.png.0f52038ae0726d59628b2f8b5dcd0085.png

 

On 9/18/2020 at 3:50 AM, pionphil said:

What software do you use to rip CDs?

 

I use MediaGo but it was discontinued, so it is not recommended...

 

21 hours ago, pionphil said:

Does it find and attach the album artwork to the ripped music files ok?

 

Your ripping app will get album artwork from the internet and embed it to the music files.

 

9 hours ago, pionphil said:

How should cue sheet 形式 be translated? I'm not sure what cue sheet is and why that's important.

 

"Cue sheet format". It is some special file extracted from CD that contains INDEX 0 info (hidden pause track between tracks) and with cue sheet file, music player app can behave exactly the same manner as a CD player.

 

My opinion is it is not important but some people including the author above consider it as must have feature.

 

 

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@yamamoto2002 

 

Do you also use a Pioneer drive? If so, what are your experiences in effectiveness of Pure Read in reducing noise? (雑音?)

 

I tried ripping with Pure Read turned on Master Mode, and I didn't notice much difference. 

 

I read this written in 2013: 最近のPioneerドライブはダメージディスクの読みが元々弱いので、Pure Read を使ってもたいしたことはないようです。(These days, Pioneer drives are weak at reading damaged discs in the first place, so using Pure Read is not something that great as it may be thought to be.)  

 

Also from the same author in 2009 (updated 2013): 今回試したPioneerのドライブは、元々ダメージディスクの読みが苦手なので、Pure Read を使っても、やっと他のドライブ並になる程度のようです。(The Pioneer Drive that I tested at this time is weak at reading damaged disc in the first place, so even if Pure Read is used, (the sound quality) is at about the same level as other drives.)  http://juubee.org/BJ/sokutei14_read/sokutei.html

 

Does this mean that Pioneer are weaker than other drives in reading damaged discs, so that even if they get a little boost from Pure Read function, it won’t do much? (not very effective in reducing noise?)

 

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Also a person noted that without using Pure Read, Pioneer has the most errors when ripping:

 

MATSHITADVD-RAM SW-9588
  Accurately ripped
 MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ8E0(スリム)
  Differs in 13 samples
 HL-DT-STDVDRAM GH24NSD1
  Differs in 32 samples
 PLEXTOR PX-891SAF
  Differs in 96 samples
 PIONEER BD-RW BDR-S11
  Differs in 216 samples

https://review.kakaku.com/review/K0000938765/ReviewCD=1199873/#tab

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The best Drive (no errors) is pretty expensive at $250: (https://www.newegg.com/p/1B1-000G-00072 

The 2nd best (13 errors, much better than Pioneer's 216 errors) is $30 but it's an internal drive: https://www.mydvddrives.com/matshita-dvd-ram-uj8e0-sata-cd-dvd-rw-drive-burner-writer-104937.html

 

I was hoping to get an external, because I don't have a laptop with space for a drive or desktop, and it would be a hassle to install an internal one. 

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On 9/27/2020 at 2:38 AM, pionphil said:

I read this written in 2013: 最近のPioneerドライブはダメージディスクの読みが元々弱いので、Pure Read を使ってもたいしたことはないようです。(These days, Pioneer drives are weak at reading damaged discs in the first place, so using Pure Read is not something that great as it may be thought to be.)  

 

I've read similar article circa 2013. Then there was an article somewhere, the disc drive development team purchased many damaged `test discs' from second hand CD shops and improved their drive readability. So it seems they noticed it. I'm not sure but probably PureRead4+ improvement items reflect this improvement.

 

On 9/27/2020 at 2:38 AM, pionphil said:

Do you also use a Pioneer drive? If so, what are your experiences in effectiveness of Pure Read in reducing noise? (雑音?)

 

I tried ripping with Pure Read turned on Master Mode, and I didn't notice much difference.

 

There is no difference on clean disc. I'm not expert about optical pickup unit but in order to test it, several damaged discs of different damage pattern are needed? I don't encounter any read error event so far, so I don't know.

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