Popular Post manisandher Posted July 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: ... balanced interconnects to Pass Aleph monoblocks... Ooh... I used to own an Aleph 4 many moons ago. Didn't think you'd be into S-E output amps Paul. They certainly don't measure as well as P-P amps, you know? 🙂. Mani. semente, Audiophile Neuroscience and fas42 3 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 5:48 AM, PeterSt said: Every smallest change is audible to me and my system and none of them can be measured with known equipment (or it can't realistically be bought because it costs millions (literally)). From another thread: On 6/27/2020 at 3:21 AM, Audiophile Neuroscience said: @manisandher in the Red Pill/ Blue Pill scored [p=0.01], a 99% consistency ie probability that his perception was not a product of random chance or guesswork. Yep. The two inputs were measured as being bit-identical. There seemed to be no consistent differences in the analogue outputs (admittedly with a non-SOTA ADC it transpired)... and yet... I could hear a difference. Is it that our threshold of audibility is below the level to which we can measure THD/SINAD, etc., or... are we simply measuring the wrong things? Mani. Audiophile Neuroscience 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
manisandher Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Jud said: Sensory memories are quite short - perhaps 4 seconds in the case of audio... Hey Jud, when I conducted the ABX test with Mans, each sample lasted for about 15 seconds. There was then a 5-10 second delay before the next sample started. The whole 10x ABX took around 15 minutes to undertake. 15 hours ago, Jud said: It's not at all surprising we'd need a strong, very recognizable quality to impress us as different in that short amount of time. In the ABX, I was primarily picking up an ever-so-slight edginess in the piano in one and not in the other sample (both bit-identical to each other). 15 hours ago, Jud said: Which of these are we doing when we enjoy listening to music? By the end of the ABX, I was totally exhausted (having conducted a couple of non-ABX tests beforehand too). The experience was absolutely nothing like listening to music for pleasure. I suspect this is the main reason why ABX tests often 'fail'. I'm reading, and very much enjoying, 'The Master and His Emissary' by Iain McGilchrist at the moment. Maybe an ABX test is more of a left-brain activity, whereas listening to music for enjoyment is more of a right-brain activity? Not easy to reconcile the two. Mani. Audiophile Neuroscience 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 6 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said: I don’t doubt what Mani heard, but one guy on Earth doesn’t make it fact. 4 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: He disproved the null hypothesis to a statistically significant level ie he did hear the difference he claimed to hear, and others could not. Two different things here. Chris is refering to my calling the original Yggdrasil out on it's sound when I had it here for a few weeks. I looked into why it sounded the way it did, and discovered that others had measured a crossover glitch. Schiit claimed that the glitch was below the threshold of audiblity (of relevance to this thread), but later corrected it nevertheless. David is refering to the ABX test I was involved with in the 'red/blue pill' thread. Mani. Audiophile Neuroscience and sandyk 1 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 13 hours ago, Jud said: I think a lot of the "right-brain/left-brain" stuff has been debunked at this point. McGilchrist is cited as one of the debunkers. 3 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: I think the whole right brain/left brain thing has been probably over-baked but there is no doubting that a great many perceptual abilities are right hemisphere controlled - ask anyone with a large right cerebral hemisphere CVA (stroke) - except sometimes they can no longer perceive (are aware) of the perceptual impairment. "When people object that each hemisphere is involved in everything we do, they are right. When they assume that means there are no differences, they are wrong. It is not what each hemisphere does, but how it does it that matters." - McGilchrist. In any event, I'm finding 'The Master and HIs Emissary' a fascinating read. Mani. Teresa, Audiophile Neuroscience and Jud 1 2 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted July 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said: I also think that like many others that ABX tests can be exhausting and anxiety provoking and is not how we generally make higher order perceptual connections whether sensory discriminations or recognizable patterns. It appears there are some things that can't be forced and as counter-intuitive as it may seem you cannot try to do it. The harder you try the more you fail. Falling asleep is one and so is penile erections ( he quickly adds.... It is a recurrent theme in patients I have treated). The sentence I must fall asleep now and focusing on it usually begets failure. It is a letting go process. Complex perception I think is in that category If I could upvote this 1000 times, I would. Mani. Audiophile Neuroscience, Jud and 4est 2 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 Talking of Benchmark, the current DAC3 measures well below the threshold of audibily, if 'objectivists' are to be believed. And yet there are a whole bunch of people over at ASR who can't wait for the DAC4 to be released. I suppose Chris's question would be, why? Mani. Audiophile Neuroscience, semente, sandyk and 2 others 3 1 1 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
Popular Post manisandher Posted July 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, pkane2001 said: Ask them? I don't think so. It's not in my nature to cause a stir 😉. FWIW, I had a Matrix Audio Element X here for a couple of months earlier this year, with a view to buying it for streaming in my office system. Taking my own measurements, it measured better than the Phasure DAC I had in my office at the time - substantially lower THD and noise floor. But it didn't sound anywhere near as good to my ears - washed out and flat in comparison to the Phasure. So it went back to the dealer for a full refund. (I still changed the Phasure though... but for one of my old turntables. It's been fun exploring my record collection again... though I'd never go back to vinyl permanently.) Mani. Audiophile Neuroscience, tapatrick and Jud 3 Main: SOtM sMS-200 -> Okto dac8PRO -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Tune Audio Anima horns + 2x Rotel RB-1590 amps -> 4 subs Home Office: SOtM sMS-200 -> MOTU UltraLite-mk5 -> 6x Neurochrome 286 mono amps -> Impulse H2 speakers Vinyl: Technics SP10 / London (Decca) Reference -> Trafomatic Luna -> RME ADI-2 Pro Link to comment
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