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Is now the right time for "Extreme Week"?

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3 hours ago, sdolezalek said:

Although I immensely appreciate the amount of thought and work that ray-dude and austinpop put into their all of their exquisite reviews, I have to admit to an odd feeling after reading this week's installment after seeing the title "Extreme Week."  On the one hand I can't help lusting for the quality of sound that the equipment they are reviewing can deliver, but on the other hand I would today feel very guilty spending to buy that equipment in the face of what is going on in the world around us.  In a WFH time, the ability to escape for a few minutes or hours and just listen to some great music may be more important than at any other time in our lives.  But, for many the cost of the kinds of equipment we lust after on Audiophile Style may have permanently moved out of the range of what is affordable.  

 

I'd love to see us equally dedicate a week to reviewing some systems that really deliver the best available listening at an affordable level.  I think if I spent half as much on my next purchase and donated the 50% I didn't spend, that sitting back and listening to those sounds might be a much more satisfying experience...

 

This is not intended as throwing water on the fire of great reviews or great equipment.  Think of it more as challenge to what kind of components (hardware/software) we might suggest for those who may have a lot more listening time on their hands (but not by choice) or who come home from a long day as a first responder and could really use the escape.

 

There is a clear line between what is desirable and what is necessary. The latter costs nothing in many cases, but human existence is impossible without it. And may be very good without all and every thing desirable. By the way, no percentage of donation compensates for dissatisfaction with the sound, even if it is purely imaginary.

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3 hours ago, sdolezalek said:

for many the cost of the kinds of equipment we lust after on Audiophile Style may have permanently moved out of the range of what is affordable.  

 

I have never thought of AS as a high-end gear audio forum. The emphasis always seemed to me to get the best gear/software at the least cost, bang for buck. In the days of "CA" owning expensive gear could get you ridiculed.

 

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I'd love to see us equally dedicate a week to reviewing some systems that really deliver the best available listening at an affordable level. 

 

I think this is already covered in the forums regularly - the extreme week, is more the exception, which I welcome

 

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I think if I spent half as much on my next purchase and donated the 50% I didn't spend, that sitting back and listening to those sounds might be a much more satisfying experience...

 

I don't feel indulging yourself is mutually exclusive with helping others. You can do both. I just don't think the moral imperative should be brought into an audio and music hobby.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Iving said:

 You can't spend the same money, time - or even enthusiasm and psychic energy - twice. Whether on self, family or others.

 

looking after oneself as well as others is NOT mutually exclusive.

 

4 minutes ago, Iving said:

I disagree strongly that our moral views should be inhibited or policed.

 

Who said they should be but this is not a church, nor a political forum. I also don't want my choices "policed" or judged.

 

4 minutes ago, Iving said:

The OP makes a fair point. Many in the world are struggling even more than they were already because of Coronavirus - and there are some proper heroes helping them voluntarily or for not a lot of cash. Why shouldn't we reflect on that here.

 

This is conflating totally separate issues and IMO way inappropriate

 

4 minutes ago, Iving said:

 

 If this were a Motor Forum, what would be wrong with declaring that you'd have trouble spending 80k rather than 20k or 30k on a car at this time in human history.

 

and what is wrong with spending 80k on a car? Perhaps it will help stimulate the economy and keep people employed. But, as i said this is not a political or religious forum

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What's under the bonnet here is culture. And diversity of culture. We are what we talk about (both chicken and egg). It's good to talk.

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8 hours ago, sdolezalek said:

Although I immensely appreciate the amount of thought and work that ray-dude and austinpop put into their all of their exquisite reviews, I have to admit to an odd feeling after reading this week's installment after seeing the title "Extreme Week."  On the one hand I can't help lusting for the quality of sound that the equipment they are reviewing can deliver, but on the other hand I would today feel very guilty spending to buy that equipment in the face of what is going on in the world around us.  In a WFH time, the ability to escape for a few minutes or hours and just listen to some great music may be more important than at any other time in our lives.  But, for many the cost of the kinds of equipment we lust after on Audiophile Style may have permanently moved out of the range of what is affordable.  

 

I'd love to see us equally dedicate a week to reviewing some systems that really deliver the best available listening at an affordable level.  I think if I spent half as much on my next purchase and donated the 50% I didn't spend, that sitting back and listening to those sounds might be a much more satisfying experience...

 

This is not intended as throwing water on the fire of great reviews or great equipment.  Think of it more as challenge to what kind of components (hardware/software) we might suggest for those who may have a lot more listening time on their hands (but not by choice) or who come home from a long day as a first responder and could really use the escape.

 

You asked I good question which I could have answered, but instead of doing that I will ask you one instead. If there are many people that are genuinely interested to know how those "extreme” audio gear, which some member actually own, sounds like and that many of us can’t demo for ourselves (look-down, cost, ability etc). I don’t only read impressions because I want to get the latest or shiniest myself, it’s because am interested in the tech and design progression in (digital) audio. Isn’t it better that we are giving the chance to at least read about how the latest SOTA gear sound like and compared to other more well-known gear now that many are stuck at home most of the time?

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In my view it's the extensive, five-part, epic coverage of this "supercomputer" which makes me feel a bit uneasy. The most expensive equipment get the longest, most pompous articles for dramatic effect of course, but there's something outdated in the whole idea.

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1 hour ago, Iving said:

 

You seem to be missing the point.

 

I don't think so.

 

1 hour ago, Iving said:

 

Culture is about beliefs; or, more particularly, values. I certainly am not talking about [embracing all] ethnic cultures.

 

Then you should have particularly stated that you were talking about beliefs and in particular, values - not a broader construct "What's under the bonnet here is culture. And diversity of culture"

 

1 hour ago, Iving said:

 

Patently you and I have divergent beliefs and values.

 

Not necessarily. I may well share your values but just not want to talk about them in an audio forum. Your statement that "moral views should not be inhibited or policed", implies that I do. This is a mischaracterization. IMO there is a time and a place.

 

1 hour ago, Iving said:

 

Talking about beliefs and values amongst ourselves has an effect on culture (that was the main point of my last post). Freedom to talk - should people want to do it - is a civil liberties matter.

 

No-one is implying a denial of civil liberties. I prefer if we keep politics and religion and the pandemic out of HiFi discussions.

1 hour ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

I’m doing my best to keep AS from being as big of downer as the world in general right now. I’ve closed topics related to the pandemic because we all get enough of that elsewhere. AS is an escape from reality for many and focused on a hobby that brings us enjoyment.

 

1 hour ago, Iving said:

 

If we are at cross-purposes, don't worry about it. That's not a crime either.

 

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22 minutes ago, FIndingit said:

In my view it's the extensive, five-part, epic coverage of this "supercomputer" which makes me feel a bit uneasy. The most expensive equipment get the longest, most pompous articles for dramatic effect of course, but there's something outdated in the whole idea.

 

We've never done this before. It seems you may have seen other sites do this or something? 


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30 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

Then you should have particularly stated that you were talking about beliefs and in particular ...

 

There was no need, but thank you for correcting me.

 

30 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

I may well share your values ...

 

Not as I see it ...

 

6 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

I just don't think the moral imperative should be brought into an audio and music hobby.

 

30 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

Your statement that "moral views should not be inhibited or policed", implies that I do. This is a mischaracterization. IMO there is a time and a place.

 

No-one is implying a denial of civil liberties. I prefer if we keep politics and religion and the pandemic out of HiFi discussions.

 

lol too many oxymorons

 

[anyway please review this isn't politics or religion it's spending lots of money or not on hifi]

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3 hours ago, Iving said:

 

I agree that there is room for everybody here. If you can't afford an Extreme, but want a best possible alternative, you can build your own server assisted exponentially by the knowledge and experience blogged on AS. I am all about bang-for-buck - no matter how much I can or cannot spend. I am not offended remotely by "Extreme Week".


Agreed. I would like to point out that the “Extreme” might be the best option for the particular configuration selected — it feeds the Chord Upsampler. If one wants an “Extreme” server capable of extreme HQPlayer upsampling, I suspect this would NOT be the best, simply because single core CPU speed is the most important parameter ... and do a fancy extreme cooling solution to overclock an i9-10900K ... which has been liquid nitro cooled to 7.7 GHz! Might be better ... that said by our most recent testing wouldn’t get to EC modulators at DSD512 rates ... in any case there are different techniques each optimized for different requirements. There is no one right answer!


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7 minutes ago, jabbr said:


Agreed. I would like to point out that the “Extreme” might be the best option for the particular configuration selected — it feeds the Chord Upsampler. If one wants an “Extreme” server capable of extreme HQPlayer upsampling, I suspect this would NOT be the best, simply because single core CPU speed is the most important parameter ... and do a fancy extreme cooling solution to overclock an i9-10900K ... which has been liquid nitro cooled to 7.7 GHz! Might be better ... that said by our most recent testing wouldn’t get to EC modulators at DSD512 rates ... in any case there are different techniques each optimized for different requirements. There is no one right answer!

 

... plus some technology already "old" (low tdp easy to cool) might be better for some needs - e.g. no upsampling / offline playback etc.

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Just now, jabbr said:

To each his or her own ... I do strongly feel that if someone makes the effort to do a multipart review then it deserves publication.

 

The reviews are Ace. Loads to learn. Entertaining too.

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Let the Extreme Weak protest continue CC.  Better here than below the articles.  Holding up @ray-dude or @austinpop or anyone else still possessed of inquisitive spirit from forging new personal explorations is more hurtful towards the efforts of Peter or Jussi than letting fresh life in.  Not that the hobby has a small issue attracting newer younger interest or anything.

 

That may be too blunt for many.  Especially those unwilling to consider selling $20 audio toys is no less harsh an environment to prosper in than that of $200K audio art.  

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2 minutes ago, Foggie said:

I was going to comment in Ray's extreme comment area but this seemed a better place....The Dave as a preamp and amp? A very different take and implementation no doubt.  Comparing that to a tube pre with mono's or an integrated etc.. would prove different results and more than likely significant (either way) IMHO.

 

Which leads me to say, Ray's journey/write up is but a snap shot specific to him and his environment IMHO.  Its an interesting read for sure and its very cool to see how much he is enjoying this!  THAT is what its all about.  I would be too with a new toy for sure!

 

I don't want to veer too OT, but I think people have to realize or at least put into context and to use Ray as an example, he is doing his own thing and making his own conclusions for what works for him, which is GREAT and is something everyone NEEDS to do.  Following the opinion of an individual for a good read, and for use as a data point is fine, but I think some get way too caught up in taking someone else's findings as an absolute?  It may or may not at all correlate with ones own system/experience, many times it doesn't => "Jim says its so, so it must be".  

 

It's fun to see how others eval, setup and relay their findings, but again, its their findings.  Enjoy your own journey, learn from others what's applicable to you and don't worry where or what the "bar" is at, its not a competition.  Peace

 

Well said. 


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