ConcreteCow Posted August 2, 2020 Share Posted August 2, 2020 Fascinating read of this thread... Not sure what I would like to do. Innuos Phoenix or Denafrips Gaia? The Phoenix would be connected via USB to my Zenith MKIII then to a D90 MQA DAC. If I chose the Denafrips Gaia the connection would still be USB Zenith III to Gaia but from Gaia it would be I2s to the D90 MQA DAC. Any thoughts anyone? Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 Hi Hiker, What's your view please with the Ideon Audio 3R Master Time and the Innuos Pheonix? I would like to buy either one and would like more opinions between the two before decisions are made. Many thanks. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
Popular Post ConcreteCow Posted August 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2020 Okie dokie .... Look at what I've got to play with.... This will be interesting .... I have on board for home trial an Ideon Audio Master Time 3R and an Innuos Phoenix. If only I could locate a Demo Gaia ..... I will be connecting up this weekend and will post back my findings soon. One of these may end up being a 'keeper' for me so I'm very excited to trial after many positive comments. Thanks to all who have taken the time to place their views/comments on this thread so far of which I have found both informative and interesting. Time for some 'Toons'..... Exocer, 87mpi and soares 3 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 So..... I've had a very short listen with the Phoenix .... Hmmnnn.... Not sure what I'm supposed to be hearing. The only differences I hear are slightly more solid Bass and a smidgen of improved Treble. Kick Drums are slightly more solid with Cymbals and Hi-Hat slightly more defined and crisp. I'm running it through the USB cable supplied with the Phoenix from my Zenith and a Lush 2 to my DAC. I've got a funny feeling my DAC might not be good enough and my speakers not as revealing as other peoples. I will continue to 'run in' the Phoenix and see if things open up more By the way.... that USB cable supplied as standard with the Phoenix is very, very good! Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Hi to all again, Could I ask if either of these set ups over the top? Innuos Zenith MK3 > Audioquest Coffee USB > Phoenix USB Reclocker > Lush 2 > Chord M Scaler > Lush 2 > Chord TT2 DAC Or Innuos Zenith MK3 > Audioquest Coffee USB > Phoenix USB Reclocker > Lush 2 > Chord M Scaler > Lush 2 > Topping D90 DAC What would you add, subtract or swap over? I have inserted a Phoenix USB reclocker in my current system, but I'm not hearing a vast improvement as of yet, after two days listening (It has over 100 hours on it via demos). Am I better off instead with an Chord M Scaler to the D90? Then later down the line adding a Chord TT2 DAC? Would love to hear any suggestions. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Thanks austinpop, Some great info and recommendations there for me to follow. So.... Do you think there will firstly be a big difference if I replace the Topping D90 MQA DAC with the Chord TT2 DAC? Silly question maybe.... As it's an multi award winning DAC and costs 7.5 times the cost of a D90 MQA.... But sometimes it makes no difference at all if one adds something into a system that is not able to handle it or is configured in a strange way. I'm guessing.... hoping.... I'm going in the direction of big improvement as this is another big step for me. Admittedly, the D90 MQA was purchased to 'get me on' the digital bandwagon for an acceptable budget so to speak. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
Popular Post ConcreteCow Posted August 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2020 I've now swapped the Phoenix I have on Demo over to the Ideon Master Time 3R also on demo loan. There was no discernable sound difference compared to the Phoenix. I have even swapped the current USB cables out again for two David Laboga Expression Emerald USB cables to make sure all signals are equal in and out. I didn't like the sound. But then I probably need to get used to the 'new sound' after changing the USB cables. For the cost of each of these re-clockers I'm not hearing any major improvements to make the investment. Yes... very, very slight improvement in a tighter Bass and defined Treble but nothing of great note and no wider soundstage then I'm already getting without a re-clocker attached. I think I have definitely narrowed my issue down to the DAC I'm using. My D90 MQA is no slouch or cheapie DAC, but in this instance, I believe a higher quality DAC is needed when 'playing' about with one of these re-clockers. So..... I think I will not take up any more time with these two re-clockers and allow others who may be in the queue to demo for themselves. I will now concentrate the designated funds on purchasing a higher grade DAC. I'm looking at the Chord Hugo TT2 but others are in the frame as well. Just depends now on what is available for home demo. Unfortunately, I can't afford both a re-clocker and high grade DAC at once, but will happily try again once I get my new DAC sorted and settled by way of installation/run in and memorising the sound signature prior to attaching a re-clocker again. It was an interesting experiment for me and shows that just by bolting on a item that, although reportedly very good by way of what it does and the positive online reviews, will not necessarily work to its maximum potential straight away in all systems regardless of what they are comprised of. I will keep you updated as to my progress and thoughts very soon. soares and Ben-M 2 Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Hi ASRMichael, Yes. I have been informed that both items have been 'broken in' as they are demo items. Both re-clockers have in excess of 100 hours. My own USB cables have good long use. The supplied David Laboga USB cables which came with the 3R have many, many hours as they are demo cables. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
ConcreteCow Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I have most definitely checked all my settings on my current DAC in use just in case. All settings are as they should be with no filters adding or subtracting signals/sounds. All connected correctly and no mains leads too close or touching signal cables. Amplifier: Feliks Envy (Performance Ed), Primaluna EVO 400 Integrated with Brimar CV4003, Singxer SA-1, Cayin C9 Portable Amp. DAC: Chord DAVE, Chord MScaler, LampizatOr Amber 3 DAP: Fiio M17, Fiio M11 Plus Ltd SS, DX 300 MAX SS, DX 300 MAX Ti, Cayin N6ii + A02 Line out + E02 Source: Silent Angel M1T, Forrester LPS, N8 Network Switch, InnuOs Zenith MK3, Pioneer PD-S904 Analogue: Rega Planar 2 > Rega Fono MM MK3, Pioneer CT-W806DR, Cables: Wave Storm Reference, Phasure Lush ^2, AQ Coffee, AQ Ruby, Cable Talk 2, QED Silver Anniversary Speakers: Klipsch Forte III. Link to comment
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