Corona Virus

[Allan F]

9 hours ago, sandyk said:

Anti Malaria Drug Trial - Australia

https://www.dropbox.com/s/58ee1a5ggel7wo7/2503-2020-1701-WIN HD Newcastle-10 News First.m2t?dl=0

 

After Trump's "good feeling" about chloroquine and his misinformation that it had been approved for coronavirus, a couple in the US self-medicated with the drug. She got very sick and he died. Until controlled tests prove both efficacy and safety, no one should be taking these anti-malaria drugs on their own to combat COVID-19.

[Middy]

A little positivity from the guys at benchmark living with the new world.

 

https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/surviving-covid-19?omnisendAttributionID=email_campaign_5e7a3c358a48f77bf53e5e70&omnisendContactID=5cf9379d15b61cc5a20e4679&omnisendScopeID=5cf925d58653ed3ed535228a_2_3217609&utm_campaign=campaign%3A+Home+office+(5e7a3c358a48f77bf53e5e70)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisendl

[Middy]

After watching people panic buy, this brings back a little faith in my fellow humans..

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52026908

[rando]

23 hours ago, Allan F said:

@rando

My apologies. I stand humbly corrected. I just came across this article which describes studies that support what you posted. Reusable cloth supermarket tote bags should not be used. The information I had read referred to different materials generally and did not apply to tote bags.

Using tote bags instead of plastic could help spread the coronavirus

 

 

I appreciate this turnabout.  There is a fine line between forcing a wedge where a crack exists that needs to be given attention and using language that isn't conducive towards, is in fact leading towards invective, discovery and resolution.  My hope is that line wasn't crossed attempting to fire your attention away from the "me" who was correct and posed no risk.  Or at least minimal and would take action to reduce it further.  Even among those in the larger population who would take those steps.  A high percentage of them being distracted into mistakes exist.  

 

Without any personal stake existing any more. I can point towards Target as of this morning taking numerous steps in the direction outlined that includes banning sales and use of cloth bags.

[Priaptor]

1 hour ago, Allan F said:

 

After Trump's "good feeling" about chloroquine and his misinformation that it had been approved for coronavirus, a couple in the US self-medicated with the drug. She got very sick and he died. Until controlled tests prove both efficacy and safety, no one should be taking these anti-malaria drugs on their own to combat COVID-19.

Sorry, but his "good feeling" is all he said.  He NEVER said it was "approved" and both he and Fauci indicated that people are and can use it off label under doctor's supervision.  In fact right now it is on what is called a dual track, being used in "compassionate use" off label as well as being studied in randomized double blinded studies.  

 

The people you are talking about who self-medicated did so with fish tank cleaners not hydrocholoroquine.  I have no idea whether if "really" works or not but YOU SHOULD NOT be casting aspersions for "misinformation" when that is exactly what you are doing. As it pertains to "no one should be taking......" those who are should be under doctor supervision and we should see if it has any efficacy after the trials.  Anyone doing so without supervision of a healthcare provider does so at their own risk. 

[Allan F]

30 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

Sorry, but his "good feeling" is all he said.  He NEVER said it was "approved"...

As it pertains to "no one should be taking......" those who are should be under doctor supervision and we should see if it has any efficacy after the trials.  Anyone doing so without supervision of a healthcare provider does so at their own risk. 

 

Talking about spreading misinformation, get your facts straight. He DID say that it was "approved" (at 1:27):

 

Moreover, Dr. Antony Fauci has said that it has not been approved, nor has it undergone controlled testing - although tests are now underway. Whether it shows "great promise" has yet to be determined. Hyperbole is no substitute for truth. BTW, what I said was that no one should be taking these anti-malaria drugs on their own to combat COVID-19.

 

 

[Priaptor]

16 minutes ago, Allan F said:

 

Get your facts straight. He DID say that it was approved:

 

Moreover, Dr. Antony Fauci said it has not been approved and had not undergone controlled testing.

BTW, what I said was that no one should be taking these anti-malaria drugs on their own to combat COVID-19.

 

 

He was referring to the FDA's approval for off label utilization which the states would be charged with distributing, regarding "off label" utilization as well as in controlled drug trials as Hahn elaborated on in more detail.  Additional "approved" drugs for trial and compassionate use include convalescent plasma and immune globulin, remdesivir, Losartin, as well as some other therapies being fast tracked for study.  Yes, one can infer from that clip that he is saying the FDA approved it's use "TO TREAT COVID" but that is not what he meant and it was clarified.

 

Fauci indicated it has promise and as a scientist he can only evaluate it based on real results that are done in an approved double blinded study not that it isn't being used or approved for study by the FDA.

 

Additionally you claimed that people self-medicated based on this and died which the couple you are referring to used fish tank cleaner containing hydroxychoroquine. 

 

I by no means have huge hope for hydroxycholoroquine especially based on a tiny 30 person French study, but we will see. 

 

 

[John Dyson]

2 hours ago, Allan F said:

 

After Trump's "good feeling" about chloroquine and his misinformation that it had been approved for coronavirus, a couple in the US self-medicated with the drug. She got very sick and he died. Until controlled tests prove both efficacy and safety, no one should be taking these anti-malaria drugs on their own to combat COVID-19.

It is definitely unwise to self-medicate with drugs that a person doesn't have much experience.  For example, for pain, Fentanyl works really really well...  Imagine controlling the dose if you have 10gm of Fentanyl sitting around somewhere...  How do you get  0.1mg of Fentanyl as a non-chemist out of that 10gm (very dangerous) container of Fentanyl? (Hint, without very careful consideration, a person can end up on the floor without even knowing that they consumed anything.)

 

Self-medication is so very dangerous...   Think about this -- drug names and chemical names are sometimes similar, but are very different drugs or chemicals.   A chemical might be a phosphate, acetate or base, yet might work very differently.

 

DONT DO IT BY YOURSELF!!!!   Even if you are a chemist, DON"T DO IT.

 

Trump gave no misinformation -- Doctors ARE prescribing the meds....  It wouldn't even occur to me to take a chemical, not tested or verfieid for safety to consume...  The 'experts' supporting him even admitted that they would take the drugs -- as prescribed and/or as a part of a study.

The real mistake -- assuming that there aren't totally unwise (stupid) people out there.

 

Please, again, DONT even think about self-medicating, even if you think you know what you are doing.  The ONLY time that I would risk self-medication is if I was really stuck by myself and really knew what I was doing.

 

BTW: there is a lot of anecdotal evidence that it works, and it IS being prescribed in many countries.

 

John

 

 

[Allan F]

14 minutes ago, Priaptor said:

He was referring to the FDA's approval for off label utilization which the states would be charged with distributing, regarding "off label" utilization as well as in controlled drug trials as Hahn elaborated on in more detail.

 

 

Perhaps that was what he meant to say or should have said, but that is not what he did say. Most Americans listening to him would not have been aware of that distinction and would falsely believe that a successful treatment has been found. Put your MAGA hat back in the closet.

[The Computer Audiophile]

I understand the situation and would love to provide a venue for this great community to discuss the pandemic, but I've decided to make AS a corona-free zone. I want people to come here to find respite from the troubling situation around the world. There are plenty of places to get corona-related information.

 

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