Corona Virus

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

3 hours ago, sandyk said:

 

 That should also include the bags used for deliveries from the Supermarket,  even when they are left at the front door .

You should wash your hands after unpacking,  and putting away the bags for return with the next delivery. 

I have read that Covid-19 can survive up to one week on surfaces. The disease appears to be more easily transmitted by contact than direct airborne droplet spray

[sandyk]

31 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

I have read that Covid-19 can survive up to one week on surfaces. The disease appears to be more easily transmitted by contact than direct airborne droplet spray

Yes, I have read that too. The risk with home delivery plastic bags should be relatively low, especially if you put them aside and only shop once a week .

[jabbr]

48 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

I have read that Covid-19 can survive up to one week on surfaces. The disease appears to be more easily transmitted by contact than direct airborne droplet spray

 

No!
The virus appears to bind to the ACE2 receptor in the lung — zinc competes. 
 

Inhaling a flying goober is the best way to get it. Opening the mail isn’t.  

Unfortunately because we aren’t testing asymptotic folks we don’t know how widespread it is already.  

[sandyk]

27 minutes ago, jabbr said:

Inhaling a flying goober is the best way to get it. Opening the mail isn’t.  

Jon

  By now most sensible  people will be well aware of the need to keep a distance of >1.5M if possible, so that shouldn't  normally be a problem unless someone sneezes directly in your direction.

Even shared family cutlery may be a problem unless it's sterilised properly.

[AudioDoctor]

Earlier today I read that Corona Virus was found in empty cruise ship rooms up to 17 days after it was last inhabited by people who tested positive for Coronavirus.

 

Second, no matter the material, practice good cleanliness, sanitizer, hand washing, etc...

 

And being sneezed on is an excellent way to contract the disease. I also read today that it was found that 1 person on a bus infected a bunch of people who the subject had not interacted with, some of whom were 15 feet away.

[sandyk]

7 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

Second, no matter the material, practice good cleanliness, sanitizer, hand washing, etc...

 

And being sneezed on is an excellent way to contract the disease. I also read today that it was found that 1 person on a bus infected a bunch of people who the subject had not interacted with, some of whom were 15 feet away.

Hand rails etc. perhaps ?

 We had 39 guests at a wedding party infected just before the close range warnings were issued

[opus101]

29 minutes ago, sandyk said:

Hand rails etc. perhaps ?

 

No, if its the same case I read about (article was in the SCMP) they were all seated on the bus for several hours. Enclosed space, no windows open, AC running.

[AudioDoctor]

1 hour ago, sandyk said:

Hand rails etc. perhaps ?

 We had 39 guests at a wedding party infected just before the close range warnings were issued

 

AS Opus stated, they were not sure, but they speculated the ventilation systems on the bus moved the virus throughout the environment to infect the others.

 

@opus101 I see you are also a sophomoric member...  ha.

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

1 hour ago, jabbr said:

2 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

I have read that Covid-19 can survive up to one week on surfaces. The disease appears to be more easily transmitted by contact than direct airborne droplet spray

 

No!
The virus appears to bind to the ACE2 receptor in the lung — zinc competes. 
 

Inhaling a flying goober is the best way to get it. Opening the mail isn’t.  

 

Hi Jonathan

 

Don't underestimate infectious transmission through contact. I read on a couple of occasions from sources that should be reliable that touching surfaces contaminated with virus was a more common way of contracting the disease. I have no evidence with stats or hard figures but possibly it relates to many in the public thinking that only being coughed upon is a threat.

 

One virologist went so far as to say a mask is only good for stopping you touching your face. I think this is misleading. Certainly most authorities are recommending at least P2/N95 or better as a barrier to inhaling the virus. I know if someone was to cough virus laden droplets in my direction I would rather be wearing a mask, any mask. I would then remove the mask and dispose of it.

 

I also read it is specific to respiratory cells. so yes anyone shedding the virus by coughing droplet spray and when that lands on the mucosa of nose or mouth (oropharynx) the virus can be inhaled to enter the lungs. Although not certain the implication is that you cannot get it through other body fluids like blood or sex. BUT the latter is probably the fastest way to get it via breathing in close proximity to someone who is infected.

 

I also read about zinc maybe playing a protective role but obviously not a reliable prophylaxis.

 

Again, if infected droplets land on surfaces, including your mail, and you touch it and then touch your nose or mouth (as we do) you risk infection. Thus the need for hand washing and sanitizing surfaces, wearing gloves when appropriate.

 

Lets all be as safe as possible

 

[rando]

4 hours ago, Allan F said:

 

Fabric bags may be even better as "porous surfaces [such as fabric] don't allow viruses to survive as long because the small spaces or holes in them can trap the microbe and prevent its transfer" according to Rachel Graham, an epidemiologist at the University of North Carolina.

 

These are rapidly being warned against using as they are considerably more suspect than long ago made pallets of bags the store itself provides.  Largely for the reason stated below.    

 

54 minutes ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

Don't underestimate infectious transmission through contact. I read on a couple of occasions from sources that should be reliable that touching surfaces contaminated with virus was a more common way of contracting the disease. I have no evidence with stats or hard figures but possibly it relates to many in the public thinking that only being coughed upon is a threat.

 

That surface include the one place almost everything heavy than the air lands on.  The one you walk into your elderly or infirmed family member's residence on.  Drop your supplies on to take your shoes off.  Probably should be treating just as seriously as your hands and face.  Cleaning the floor and not what potentially transferred Covid-19 to it is concerning.  That includes the fabric shopping bags you picked up off it to go shopping.

[Allan F]

13 hours ago, rando said:

These are rapidly being warned against using as they are considerably more suspect than long ago made pallets of bags the store itself provides.  Largely for the reason stated below.    

 

That surface include the one place almost everything heavy than the air lands on.  The one you walk into your elderly or infirmed family member's residence on.  Drop your supplies on to take your shoes off.  Probably should be treating just as seriously as your hands and face.  Cleaning the floor and not what potentially transferred Covid-19 to it is concerning.  That includes the fabric shopping bags you picked up off it to go shopping.

[kirkmc]

5 hours ago, AudioDoctor said:

Earlier today I read that Corona Virus was found in empty cruise ship rooms up to 17 days after it was last inhabited by people who tested positive for Coronavirus.

 

 

Someone posted this on twitter:

 

You're gonna see "coronavirus can live for 17 days on surfaces!" Incorrect. *Viral RNA* was detectable after 17 days. Saying that live virus is there because viral RNA was found is like saying I must be holding a meatball sub because there's a marinara stain on my pants.

[Middy]

Thats the fingerprints, not the guy half out the window with your TV and Beer supply..

[Foggie]

The other piece to this is the economy.  Half 401k almost gone.  F'ng media, many of whom do more harm then good.  Pathetic.  NONE of us will have jobs if this continues for too long. 

 

No one knows the answer and how this will play out, but at some point we have to get back to some degree of normalcy. When this situation dies down, whats going to happen in 6mos, 1yr when this happens again?

 

We (US) were too slow in getting prepared for what most everyone saw coming.  I'm really just putting another perspective on this / devil's advocate and in no way do politics need to enter this discussion, this isn't the place for it.

[RickyV]

FYI 

 

 

[sphinxsix]

 

How does the new coronavirus spread?

 

 

1 hour ago, Foggie said:

NONE of us will have jobs if this continues for too long. 

1 hour ago, Foggie said:

We (US) were too slow in getting prepared for what most everyone saw coming.

 

I wouldn't worry, you have such a brilliant President. I'm sure he will take care of the economy.

Washington Post:

 

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"President Trump on Monday said he is considering scaling back steps to constrain the spread of the coronavirus in the next week or two because of concerns that the impact on the economy has become too severe.

But loosening restrictions on social distancing and similar measures soon probably would require him to override the internal warnings of senior U.S. health officials, including Anthony S. Fauci, who have said that the United States has not yet felt the worst of the pandemic, according to several people with knowledge of the internal deliberations.

Trump said at a news conference Monday night that at some point soon the damage being done to the economy could be worse than the threat of the virus spreading further. He said the decision could be based geographically with areas of the country with a low number of positive cases moving back to a normal routine while areas such as New York remain under restrictions.

“America will again — and soon — be open for business,” he said. “Very soon, a lot sooner than three or four months that somebody was suggesting. A lot sooner. We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.”

When asked if he would make the decision to loosen social-distancing recommendations even if it went against the advice of federal public health officials, Trump said: “If it was up to the doctors they might say shut down the entire world.”"

...

"President Trump played down the dangers of the coronavirus pandemic Monday, emphasizing the need for the country’s economy to get back to normal.

“America will again — and soon — be open for business,” Trump said in a news conference. Experts warn that ending social distancing too soon would lead to a spike in cases, potentially overwhelming hospitals and leading to more deaths.

U.S. states on Monday reported more than 100 deaths from the novel coronavirus, pushing the country’s total death toll past 500 and marking the first time single-day fatalities have risen into the triple-digits nationwide."

 

Maybe let's stop here. At least I will.

[The Computer Audiophile]

1 hour ago, Foggie said:

in no way do politics need to enter this discussion, this isn't the place for it.

Well said.

[jabbr]

9 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

Don't underestimate infectious transmission through contact. I read on a couple of occasions from sources that should be reliable that touching surfaces contaminated with virus was a more common way of contracting the disease. I have no evidence with stats or hard figures but possibly it relates to many in the public thinking that only being coughed upon is a threat.

I am saying that airborne inhalation is by far the most effective way to transmit this infection. 
 

If the mail were a reliable way to transmit, then the spread could be tracked from manufacturing plants where products are made (for mail order) or from Amazon warehouses, or from infected Postal employees. 
 

Instead the pattern of infection appears related to population density. Our current data suggests that transmission occurs mostly when in range for aerosolized droplets.

 

Theres also the concept that you need a certain inoculum to effectively infect. 
 

It’s complicated. What is fascinating is why Tokyo does not have an outbreak. Stay tuned.

[Allan F]

10 hours ago, Audiophile Neuroscience said:

Don't underestimate infectious transmission through contact. I read on a couple of occasions from sources that should be reliable that touching surfaces contaminated with virus was a more common way of contracting the disease. I have no evidence with stats or hard figures but possibly it relates to many in the public thinking that only being coughed upon is a threat.

 

This is contrary to the advice of experts who state that the most common means of transmission is breathing air containing droplets resulting from a person sneezing or coughing. Nevertheless, the danger of becoming infected by touching contaminated surfaces and then touching your nose, mouth or eyes must still be taken seriously.

 

Regarding masks, the general recommendation has long been that those who are not infected should not wear masks. Today, however, this is essential because of  the acute shortage of masks, which demands that they be reserved for only health care workers on the front lines or those infected. The CEO of 3M. one of the major suppliers, has stated that none of their masks should be sold to the public because of the critical needs of doctors and nurses treating the sick.

 

The risk of becoming infected from the mail is considered to be very low, but extreme caution would suggest that it would not be unreasonable to wash ones hands after handling the mail. Personally, I wear gloves when I collect mine.

[AudioDoctor]

6 hours ago, kirkmc said:

 

Someone posted this on twitter:

 

You're gonna see "coronavirus can live for 17 days on surfaces!" Incorrect. *Viral RNA* was detectable after 17 days. Saying that live virus is there because viral RNA was found is like saying I must be holding a meatball sub because there's a marinara stain on my pants.

 

Twitter is of course a stellar source of accurate information...

[Allan F]

3 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

Twitter is of course a stellar source of accurate information...

 

"The problem with information that you read on the internet is that you never know if it is true."

-Abraham Lincoln

[AudioDoctor]

Just now, Allan F said:

 

"The problem with information that you read on the internet is that you never know if it is true."

-Abraham Lincoln

 

I am pretty sure he said that to Jesus at a luncheon...

[rando]

7 hours ago, Allan F said:

 

Warned against by whom? Sorry, I don't follow you. First of all my bags, which were purchased long before the coronavirus appeared, never touch the floor. Moreover, why would a porous fabric bag be more suspect than a smooth paper bag when viruses are known to generally last longer on smooth surfaces?

 

So don't follow.  At least consider taking "me" out of the equation and applying the idea to the population at large.  Even if this is of secondary, tertiary, or an even more distant concern compared to the never pleasant circumstance of walking away from encountering someone wetter than you entered it.  

 

Grocery stores, and those brave enough to show up to work, are doing anything possible to protect them and their work environment.  To remove any chance of infection entering the one place even the locales with militia patrolling the streets allow a break in curfew to visit.

[Allan F]

43 minutes ago, rando said:

So don't follow.  At least consider taking "me" out of the equation and applying the idea to the population at large.  Even if this is of secondary, tertiary, or an even more distant concern compared to the never pleasant circumstance of walking away from encountering someone wetter than you entered it

 

Relax! There was nothing personal or "you" in the equation. I was simply seeking more information. Your post disagreed with what I had posted. I included the source of my information and the reason for it. I was simply asking for the source of yours and an explanation of why that should be so. That might be enlightening for many apart from me. As I am sure you know, there is a lot of misinformation about the coronavirus being spread.

[Allan F]

@rando

My apologies. I stand humbly corrected. I just came across this article which describes studies that support what you posted. Reusable cloth supermarket tote bags should not be used. The information I had read referred to different materials generally and did not apply to tote bags.

Using tote bags instead of plastic could help spread the coronavirus