Chris's Objective/Subjective moat seems one-sided

[Richard Dale]

17 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

 

Ahh, the old subjectivist refrain of "you aren't an audiophile because you're an objectivist"...

 

Sorry, but I refuse to let you or anyone else define me or make me feel like a second class citizen because I take a different approach to this hobby.

Of course you can think the sort of measurements John Atkinson makes as part of hs Stereophile reviews are more or less important than the subjective part of the review. And I'm sure we can get on just fine on that basis. But I do object to being called insulting terms such as 'deluded audiofool', and if you feel that you are a second class citizen on this site because it is no longer acceptable to insult people like myself with that sort of thing, then I don't agree with you obviously.

[kumakuma]

5 minutes ago, Richard Dale said:

if you feel that you are a second class citizen on this site because it is no longer acceptable to insult people like myself with that sort of thing, then I don't agree with you obviously.

 

Did I say that or even imply that?

 

 

[Richard Dale]

Just now, kumakuma said:

 

Did I say that or even imply that?

 

 

You don't appear to have noticed that the 'objectivists' insults and continual bickering were poisoning this site.

[kumakuma]

9 minutes ago, Richard Dale said:

You don't appear to have noticed that the 'objectivists' insults and continual bickering were poisoning this site.

 

I'm having a hard time understanding how you reached that conclusion from what I posted.

[Richard Dale]

1 minute ago, kumakuma said:

 

I'm having a hard time understanding how you reached that conclusion from what I posted.

What exactly are you trying to defend? There are most certainly a lot of very technically capable people who still post on this site, such as Miska, that never feel the need to be rude to people who only post comments about their subjective opinions.

[kumakuma]

Just now, Richard Dale said:

There are most certainly a lot of very technically capable people who still post on this site, such as Miska, that never feel the need to be rude to people who only post comments about their subjective opinions.

 

Why do you keep circling back to this?

 

Where have I ever said that people should be free to insult others or be rude?

 

You seem to be locked into a logic loop that is coloring your comprehension so let me make things perfectly clear for you.

 

I agree with you about the rude behavior and insults.

[Richard Dale]

1 minute ago, kumakuma said:

 

Why do you keep circling back to this?

 

Where have I ever said that people should be free to insult others or be rude?

 

You seem to be locked into a logic loop that is coloring your comprehension so let me make things perfectly clear for you.

 

I agree with you about the rude behavior and insults.

I've got that then.

[Audiophile Neuroscience]

So, we can discuss, we can disagree. What we can presumably agree upon is that there is far more to unite music lovers than divide us.Well, except for Frank, but we embrace him too 😁

[Currawong]

On 3/30/2020 at 2:55 AM, kumakuma said:

 

Ahh, the old subjectivist refrain of "you aren't an audiophile because you're an objectivist"...

 

Sorry, but I refuse to let you or anyone else define me or make me feel like a second class citizen because I take a different approach to this hobby.

 

I've never seen anyone write that. The very problem is so-called objectivists trying to make someone else "feel like a second class citizen" by putting out their beliefs as superior, in a manner akin to a religion. 

 

It was especially frustrating in the MQA threads, as if I forgot to bookmark a post with important information, it would take me hours of going through page after page of crap to find it again. Since I've been wanting to make a video about MQA, that alone has put me off.

[The Computer Audiophile]

4 hours ago, Currawong said:

 

I've never seen anyone write that. The very problem is so-called objectivists trying to make someone else "feel like a second class citizen" by putting out their beliefs as superior, in a manner akin to a religion. 

 

It was especially frustrating in the MQA threads, as if I forgot to bookmark a post with important information, it would take me hours of going through page after page of crap to find it again. Since I've been wanting to make a video about MQA, that alone has put me off.

Go to the MQA thread, find a comment by jud, then use the magnifying glass to find all his comments. You will see a few nice recaps that will sum up the whole MQA thing.